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Why Waiting Is Torture

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Re: Why Waiting Is Torture

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To relate this to tech, there was an earlier study done that showed progress bars that updated in smaller increments (~1% steps) felt faster to end users than larger increments (20% steps) even though the time for the smaller increment progress bar to finish the task was the same or longer.

In other words it's reinforcing the primary argument of the article, the perception of waiting is more important than actual wait time.

Re: Why Waiting Is Torture

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My smartphone has changed the way I feel about waiting. Instead of dismay I now can look forward to a lengthy pause. It never really feels like waiting for me anymore. Unless it's in my car and I can't use my smartphone. Another exception is when I am with people and it is socially unacceptable for me to focus on my phone. If we have nothing interesting to talk about, the wait is as painful as ever, perhaps even wors…

Personally, to the contrary. With a smart device you'll end up going and doing something all the time , and you get used to that keeping you going and going through the day. And this means you never stop doing and start being. I don't have a smartphone and I probably won't get one until I need some of its functions desperately enough. I like waiting and doing nothing: it's the time to be, it's time for myself. I neve…

> I don't have a smartphone and I probably won't get one until I need some of its functions desperately enough.

My smartphone has only one essential function. Provide access to the internet. I consider that a necessity. Apparently you do too or I wouldn't be reading your comment.

> I like waiting and doing nothing: it's the time to be, it's time for myself.

I can understand not wanting to be connected all the time. However, for myself, I only want to disconnect when I'm with other people ... when I'm by myself, I want to spend that time on my interests, which are conveniently found on the net.

Re: Why Waiting Is Torture

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My smartphone has changed the way I feel about waiting. Instead of dismay I now can look forward to a lengthy pause. It never really feels like waiting for me anymore. Unless it's in my car and I can't use my smartphone. Another exception is when I am with people and it is socially unacceptable for me to focus on my phone. If we have nothing interesting to talk about, the wait is as painful as ever, perhaps even wors…

It may be true that smartphones and books can get you through a long queue, it does not solve the problem though, only makes it worse.

Queues can be indicative of a more serious issue - indifference. Government offices have earned their way up to the top of this list. Government queues could very easily be improved by either getting larger offices, hiring more officers, optimizing queue lines, estimating times and allowing you to return after 3 hours instead of making you wait and a hundred other ways any of you could come up with in less than 5 minutes.

The problem is not the queue but the organization.

Re: Why Waiting Is Torture

#24
There's a crucial social aspect of queuing that the article doesn't discuss - it makes you feel like a punter. It puts you in your place. And it's far worse when you're in a tiered situation - such as having to board a flight after business passengers, or being kept waiting outside a nightclub whilst some beautiful people are waived past the velvet rope. Perhaps the thing about walking through the airport isn't so much that it's less boring, it's that your social status is more anonymous. But as soon as you reach the carousel your true caste is revealed. Non-priority baggage. Economy traveller. Punter.

Re: Why Waiting Is Torture

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Second that. As long as I've got my trusty electronic device with me, any wait below 2 hours is nothing to me. With the charger and internet connection, make that 2 days ;) Of course, if you don't have such an electronic device, some people say a thing where entertaining or illuminating texts are permanently fixed to a pieces of processed plants, also known as "book", often helps. I've used that remedy many times too…

I remember when the swine flu was a big deal, and there was a huge line for public vaccinations in my town. I was waiting in that line for at least an hour, but it didn't feel that way, because I wasn't waiting in a line. I was reading a paperback book that I had brought with me, in a line. It was only a peculiarity of circumstance that there were long lines of people on either side of me during this whole process, a…

Kindle?

Re: Why Waiting Is Torture

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post #24

There's a crucial social aspect of queuing that the article doesn't discuss - it makes you feel like a punter. It puts you in your place. And it's far worse when you're in a tiered situation - such as having to board a flight after business passengers, or being kept waiting outside a nightclub whilst some beautiful people are waived past the velvet rope. Perhaps the thing about walking through the airport isn't so mu…

Agreed. Which is why I would never wait outside a nightclub.

I am a customer, and i expect good service.

Re: Why Waiting Is Torture

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I've long thought that those "take a number" queuing systems (commonly used at fast food places) should be random not linear. When someone with a larger number than you gets called first it feels like such an injustice! However, most people wouldn't be the wiser if the numbers were randomized. I bet it would reduce wait time complaints substantially.

I'd say that goes directly against one of the theses of the article -- that "uncertainty magnifies the stress of waiting". The most excruciating waits that I've had to deal with in the last many years are at the Ausländerbehörde here in Germany -- the "foreigners' office". It's the place that you have to go to get a work permit if you're not German. They use a randomized system. You don't have any idea if you're goin…

I like the balance between the pain of total uncertainty and the overwhelming knowledge of being stuck

Re: Why Waiting Is Torture

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post #20

My smartphone has changed the way I feel about waiting. Instead of dismay I now can look forward to a lengthy pause. It never really feels like waiting for me anymore. Unless it's in my car and I can't use my smartphone. Another exception is when I am with people and it is socially unacceptable for me to focus on my phone. If we have nothing interesting to talk about, the wait is as painful as ever, perhaps even wors…

Personally, to the contrary. With a smart device you'll end up going and doing something all the time , and you get used to that keeping you going and going through the day. And this means you never stop doing and start being. I don't have a smartphone and I probably won't get one until I need some of its functions desperately enough. I like waiting and doing nothing: it's the time to be, it's time for myself. I neve…

I toggle between reaching for my smartphone and not-doing, but not doing is better. We all have inner wisdom but it's often ignored in favour of reading the latest comment or opinion on HN. We need to switch that priority around.

Where the smartphone gets in the way is when you want peace or when a situation is slightly uncomfortable but we retreat to the smartphone out of mindless habit. We use smartphones to not only connect with people but also to avoid people.

Re: Why Waiting Is Torture

#29
maybe all these portable entertainment devices will be the doom of GDP growth.

Lower complaints means longer waits (less efficiency) and everyone's happy because it lets them get that final star on level X.

Re: Why Waiting Is Torture

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I've long thought that those "take a number" queuing systems (commonly used at fast food places) should be random not linear. When someone with a larger number than you gets called first it feels like such an injustice! However, most people wouldn't be the wiser if the numbers were randomized. I bet it would reduce wait time complaints substantially.

Maybe those restaurants should use people's names instead; on the other hand the article indicates that people like feedback on their wait times. Perhaps people would be happier if they were instead given time estimates that the restaurant could reliably beat.

Nicer ones do: "Dufresne, party of two." (But if no one answers they'll just go right on to the next name...)
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