Karton, sounds like "cartón" but with the traditional K added to the start of the names in KDE programs.
It is also the German shorthand name for carton/cardboard.
KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”
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Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”
#22Nice, having a new alternative to virt-manager is great, especially a Qt one. Unfortunate it's using Kirigami and Qt Quick, I always felt the appearance and functionality is much worse compared to Qt Widgets.
Plasma's shell is in Kirigami and Qt Quick, it couldn't be more consistent and integrated into the DE than that.
Yeah, that must be why plasma has always felt so janky to me... Even just simple stuff like simple menu launcher or task manager I can always get into an unexpected state or weird inconsistent behaviour...
I like KDE apps though, usually end up using those together with something like lxqt or xfce
Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”
#23I hope they can come up with a solution integrated into KDE where you can have apps running on a VM but appearing as a native Kwin window... Would probably need a helper daemon running on guest OS.
I know a similar thing has been done before but would be great to have upstream support from a major DE
Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
I tried KDE 1.0 two decades ago. Although it looked like a copy of windows ideas in some points, it already seemed better even at the time.
It was better up until about version 3. Then KDE got worse and Windows got better. I think KDE is back in top again.
KDE 4 was the bad one, not 3.
Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”
#25I use Arch and love KDE Plasma. It even has a blue light filter. Am never going back to Windows. KDE runs faster, looks nicer, does not have forced adware and telemetry. Great daily driver.
I have been playing with Cachy and Plasma in a VM and I am probably going to install that on my next PC build that I am planning. I am currently dual booting Ubuntu and Windows. I haven't logged into windows in over 6 months so I probably won't even setup dual boot with my next machine.
Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”
#26I hope they can come up with a solution integrated into KDE where you can have apps running on a VM but appearing as a native Kwin window... Would probably need a helper daemon running on guest OS. I know a similar thing has been done before but would be great to have upstream support from a major DE
None of the current solutions support this. Only if you fallback to X11 forwarding, but then it's not going to be seamless because it requires setup on guests.
Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong, this was my conclusion last year when researching again this space (since we're talking about virtualization support, thanks again RedHat for deprecating SPICE /s).
I've read that it's possible in Windows' RDP, but haven't found a Linux client/server setup that supports that.
Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”
#27I hope they can come up with a solution integrated into KDE where you can have apps running on a VM but appearing as a native Kwin window... Would probably need a helper daemon running on guest OS. I know a similar thing has been done before but would be great to have upstream support from a major DE
You could maybe do something easier with debboostrap and chroot mounting without needing to waste resources on vm management.
Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”
#28Nice, having a new alternative to virt-manager is great, especially a Qt one. Unfortunate it's using Kirigami and Qt Quick, I always felt the appearance and functionality is much worse compared to Qt Widgets.
That's the QML render jank that requires a commercial Qt license to avoid. But hey at least you get to write JSON-like syntax to build apps.
Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”
#29I hope they can come up with a solution integrated into KDE where you can have apps running on a VM but appearing as a native Kwin window... Would probably need a helper daemon running on guest OS. I know a similar thing has been done before but would be great to have upstream support from a major DE
None of the current solutions support this. Only if you fallback to X11 forwarding, but then it's not going to be seamless because it requires setup on guests. Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong, this was my conclusion last year when researching again this space (since we're talking about virtualization support, thanks again RedHat for deprecating SPICE /s). I've read that it's possible in Windows' RDP, but haven't f…
IIRC Parallels can/could do this (on a Mac anyway) but I can’t find the specific feature. You could like run Excel or something and it would be just the native Windows interface window, but on your MacOS desktop.
Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”
#30I hope they can come up with a solution integrated into KDE where you can have apps running on a VM but appearing as a native Kwin window... Would probably need a helper daemon running on guest OS. I know a similar thing has been done before but would be great to have upstream support from a major DE
None of the current solutions support this. Only if you fallback to X11 forwarding, but then it's not going to be seamless because it requires setup on guests. Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong, this was my conclusion last year when researching again this space (since we're talking about virtualization support, thanks again RedHat for deprecating SPICE /s). I've read that it's possible in Windows' RDP, but haven't f…
> I've read that it's possible in Windows' RDP, but haven't found a Linux client/server setup that supports that.
FreeRDP has supported this for over 10 years as a client. I don't know about non-windows servers: https://files.catbox.moe/roso8c.png
It's also significantly more responsive than any libvirt framebuffer.