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The X220 ThinkPad Is the Best Laptop in the World

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Re: The X220 ThinkPad Is the Best Laptop in the World

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It flat out amazes me that there are not replacement motherboards or Pi upgrade kits for older Thinkpads and MacBooks. They have a huge following and many amazing features as you say. The MacBook screens, trackpads, keyboards, and speakers are still top shelf. I have a couple of old MacBooks (and a Thinkpad) that I would upgrade for sure. A Snapdragon X Elite would be great. The thing about a Pi 5 though is that it i…

That's not true. There have been modded ThinkPads with modern motherboards for many years now. https://www.tpart.net/product-category/all-products/

But only on the original can you install Libreboot (currently, at least)

Re: The X220 ThinkPad Is the Best Laptop in the World

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Nope. X220t is better because you can write on it! I actually did most of my PhD with an X220t folded and mounted to my wall with a little handmade desk in front of it and an extra screen. Worked great.

With one of the downsides being the sacrifice of a USB 3.0 port.

Re: The X220 ThinkPad Is the Best Laptop in the World

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Partially true. Convertible laptops are the worst of both worlds. Most desktop OSes simply don't provide a good tablet PC like a tablet can.

My T480 has 2 batteries and lasts 10 hours but that can be extended by swapping the external one. I have 4 so that's about 20 hours.

32 GiB of RAM, 2 TB SSD, magnesium top case, and WiFi 7.

The T490 OTOH succumbed to Appleization.

Re: The X220 ThinkPad Is the Best Laptop in the World

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I don’t understand the super thin and light laptop trend. I don’t care how much it weighs, give me a milled aluminum chassis that could double as a weapon. I also want it thick enough for a normal Ethernet port and a good keyboard. Speaking of ports, I want them all. Can’t always predict what my travels will get me into, and more options is better than less. Especially when 2,000 miles from the box of cables, convert…

There are people who get things done and others who want to look like cowboys without cattle, and people in between.

Re: The X220 ThinkPad Is the Best Laptop in the World

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Best means that it's better than everything else which in this case is factually incorrect. I do think that X220 is a great laptop because despite its age, it still runs great. But, tbh, i don't think that it holds up well in terms of performance if we compare it to any modern laptop. What we do want is a modern laptop which is open source friendly, has a great battery life, is repair-friendly, has a good hardware. D…

IMO, Framework fits. It's very repairable, and it's kinda easy to do. Not having to work with clips of any kind is great, it's all screws and magnets. At least the 13" one has the same (or even a bit less) flex and feeling like e.g. a Lenovo Thinkbook. It's CNC-ed aluminium, both bottom and lid. It is significantly more fragile than a X220, though. And tbh, the screen looks the most fragile of any laptop I ever had,…

> you feel like a first-class customer like you do with e.g. a Systems76 machine

I don’t think the comparison with System76 is fair as long as Framework isn’t interested in opening up their BIOS firmware.

Re: The X220 ThinkPad Is the Best Laptop in the World

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post #22

Nope. X220t is better because you can write on it! I actually did most of my PhD with an X220t folded and mounted to my wall with a little handmade desk in front of it and an extra screen. Worked great.

With one of the downsides being the sacrifice of a USB 3.0 port.

What do you still use USB3 for? There's wifi, wireguard, smb/nfs and home NAS.

Re: The X220 ThinkPad Is the Best Laptop in the World

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I love the X220. Its input system is unparalleled, its storage (mSATA??) mega flexible, its case nigh unbreakable, its ports waiting to connect to almost anything, its parts all replaceable. I even have the SK-8855 so I can use the (exact) same keyboard when at a monitor and keep all my muscle memory. In the ways you physically interact with a machine, the X220 gets it all right, and there's something ineffably cool…

It flat out amazes me that there are not replacement motherboards or Pi upgrade kits for older Thinkpads and MacBooks. They have a huge following and many amazing features as you say. The MacBook screens, trackpads, keyboards, and speakers are still top shelf. I have a couple of old MacBooks (and a Thinkpad) that I would upgrade for sure. A Snapdragon X Elite would be great. The thing about a Pi 5 though is that it i…

I had an X62 (upgraded motherboard in an x60 shell from 51nb) and my brother had whatever the upgraded X220 was, but they were a little flaky. Super cool though.

AIUI the thermal design is the blocker with modern chipsets. Usually it's really carefully tuned along with software to dial in the right performance/battery life/longevity/safety metrics, and that's a different skillset than EE'ing a new board.

> The thing about a Pi 5 though is that it is really not any faster than the X220 natively.

It's generally faster [0] but I mean, it's the Raspberry Pi experience. Battery life would be much better, though. I understand people wanting a "modern" X220, but a big benefit for me is that I can't write junk slow software on it, so something circumspect like an SBC is ideal for me. Plus I love the idea of slapping a new CM in there and everything getting better.

> speakers are still top shelf

I'll confess to apostasy: I bought a 14" M1 Max at the end of 2021. Although it's quite different than the X220 it's a great machine in its own right, and one of the ways it's objectively better is its speaker system. It's bananas how good it sounds. It's a computer I hate to love, but I agree the Apple Silicon laptops are probably all time great laptops. I"m tempted to say they're maybe even on par w/ the X/T series 2005-2012, but they're essentially not user serviceable, and in particular I'm skeptical the keyboards and storage hold up over time, so we'll see what the used market looks like in a few years.

[0]: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/compare/12009065?baseli...

Re: The X220 ThinkPad Is the Best Laptop in the World

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It flat out amazes me that there are not replacement motherboards or Pi upgrade kits for older Thinkpads and MacBooks. They have a huge following and many amazing features as you say. The MacBook screens, trackpads, keyboards, and speakers are still top shelf. I have a couple of old MacBooks (and a Thinkpad) that I would upgrade for sure. A Snapdragon X Elite would be great. The thing about a Pi 5 though is that it i…

That's not true. There have been modded ThinkPads with modern motherboards for many years now. https://www.tpart.net/product-category/all-products/

Fair but they're very small batch.
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