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Re: Burrito Now, Pay Later

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I have a background in options trading and fixed income markets, basically the kind of professional education one gets while participating in the "financialization of everything".

I'm not sure it's great.

It's definitely useful for people to be able to unbundle risks. Or rather, it's useful to someone who knows what they are doing. Something like what's described in the article, for instance, where there's a mutual benefit to executing the financial transaction.

But what I really worry about is that where there's a game to be played, there are chips to be lost. Financializing everything creates a million little games, and the games favor people who know the rules.

If you're living in the old world, and someone offers you a university place, you just take it if you can afford it. What happens? Kids who can afford it will take it. If they do well, they make the surplus. If they can't afford it, that's tough, but they also aren't out of pocket. If you take a degree and things don't go as planned, you lost the capital, but you aren't in massive debt as well.

In the new world, what happens? Well, you can now take a loan. That's you taking a bet on your future income being sufficient to pay off the interest on your loan, and hopefully also the principal. You are basically mortgaging your education. More people can go in this model, but the extra people are also more likely to be the marginal people. They get a roll of the dice that they didn't have, but even though as a group they are going to roughly break even, some will end up in trouble that they could not ever have ended in without the loans. People who win in this game are still paying out part of their winnings: you're a doctor, but you still gotta pay your loans. People who lose are in deep trouble.

Both the winner and the loser are paying the financial market.

Now throw in a non-bankruptcy law for these loans and watch the whole market eat itself as lenders figure out that they can really be quite casual about who to lend the money to.

The same thing happens with actual mortgages. If you lived in a world where nobody lent money for a house, a house would cost a lot less. Instead, you get to compete with other borrowers to bid up prices. You're taking a bigger risk for the same house that someone a hundred years ago might have considered to be for the poorer people in the city. (Look at restrictions on building for an underlying reason why the market flies.)

The same happens with cars. The same is happening with BNPL.

Who wins with these games? Financial intermediaries. The vast economy of marketing the loans, turning them into derivatives, trading those derivatives, administrating them, all sorts of ancillary functions.

Also, deeper pockets. Much like insurance, if you can bag together a bunch of risks, some of them will offset each other. The individual who is taking a degree cannot normally derisk it by some portfolio effect, and he certainly can't just offload it with a phone call.

It's like everybody has to ante up to sit at the poker table of life. You can't just let the button come to you, you have to play all the time. You can't just be a doctor or a lawyer, everyone needs to be a trader.

Re: Burrito Now, Pay Later

#22

The arguments sound like the rationals commonly ascribed to subprime mortgage burritos twenty years ago. So if the ultimate results for wealth and the unwealthy wind up being similar, I won’t be terribly surprised.

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#23
Why do finance bros like to call allocating all the resources to the maximal-dollar extracting process "efficient". It's not. All they're doing is turning the economy's entropy into dollar bills now, which stunts future growth.

Re: Burrito Now, Pay Later

#24
post #13
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alice missed the $25 payment because her balance was zero, triggering a $7 late payment fee, $30 failed payment fee and $30 overdraft protection fee. Alice used the service more than once, so she missed not just this payment, but 20 simultaneous payments, having $1340 taken from her in total, eating her whole next two paychecks. During the time of those next two paychecks, it will be time to pay the next two instalme…

Is this really how this works? Do you have a source? Also… in this situation does klarna get any of that 1340 or does Alice just delete the app?

It is exaggerated, particularly the 2 $30 fees: a $30 "failed payment" fee sounds like a bounced check, and doesn't really apply here, and there's been a general crackdown on overdraft protection fees.

But it doesn't need exaggeration! A missed payment accelerating the loan to 46% APY effective is already usury and bad enough!

Re: Burrito Now, Pay Later

#25
post #7

Absolutely unhinged content from someone who needs to touch grass. Payday loans are scams that prey on the poorest, most uneducated people. This industry is actively harmful to society. But hey, I'm sure writing this helps you sleep at night.

Speak for yourself. I've got $10mil riding on put options for Jane Doe's pizza that she bought for her child's birthday party last week. People like you spreading FUD is threatening my portfolio.

Re: Burrito Now, Pay Later

#26

Why do finance bros like to call allocating all the resources to the maximal-dollar extracting process "efficient". It's not. All they're doing is turning the economy's entropy into dollar bills now, which stunts future growth.

In economics, "efficient" doesn't mean "produces maximal dollars". It means something much more like "an efficient economy has no arbitrage opportunities", because they've already been squeezed out. An efficient economy is one in which all the prices are correct, not one in which wealth-creation is maximized. Correct prices may help wealth-creation, but that would be a downstream effect.

Re: Burrito Now, Pay Later

#27
post #17

> Despite skepticism from Volcker and Buffet, financial innovation has been and will continue to be a massive net positive for humanity. Juxtaposing yourself with Warren Buffet and then hand-waving away his wisdom is probably the reddest of flags when discussing finance (not that Buffet is always right). "Innovation" in payday loans is akin to inventing new ways to feed living, breathing things into a meat grinder. I…

I'm happy someone else also had the same thoughts, and put it better than I could.

Incidentally, regarding Buffet's sensibilities, I once felt it worthwhile to write to Berkshire Hathaway's little office, about a new shady thing one of their holdings was rumored to be doing towards employees, and whether that fit BRK's standard of good management. My note almost certainly got tossed into the crazy-people round-file, but it'd be nice if Warren Buffet called up a CEO or Chair, and said, "Hi, Bob. This is Warren. What kind of shop are you running over there?"

Re: Burrito Now, Pay Later

#28
I didn't understand this section, why would they pay $73 for $75 and where do the $25 come from?

"Investor Economics: Assume a $100 BNPL loan. $25 is paid upfront by the Consumer, so an Investor pays $73 for a $75 loan, discounted for risk, fees, and return expectations. The Investor receives $75 from customer repayments over 6 weeks minus servicing fees of $0.25. A $1.75 profit on $73 investment over 6 weeks is a 2.4% return, or 22.8% annualized (52 weeks/6 weeks = 8.67 periods each year; annualized return = (1+0.024)8.67 - 1)."

Re: Burrito Now, Pay Later

#29

I have a background in options trading and fixed income markets, basically the kind of professional education one gets while participating in the "financialization of everything". I'm not sure it's great. It's definitely useful for people to be able to unbundle risks. Or rather, it's useful to someone who knows what they are doing. Something like what's described in the article, for instance, where there's a mutual b…

I have an extremely difficult time imagining that these BNPL loans are being shoved into bonds and offloaded on to the market in a way that even resembles a result in which the buyers of those bonds are fully educated about the risks and making optimal choices. It sure looks to me like the BNPL companies have every motivation to shove off their liabilities into these bonds in a way that gets them artificially rated far higher than they should be, and turn other people not into refined, educated consumers selecting their financial investments through enlightened wisdom, but into bagholders for debt that they were basically lied to about.

The numbers coming out of these companies are simply implausible, especially their claimed delinquincy rates; unsecured debt agains subprime borrowers that up until recently wasn't reported to any credit agency, basically a perfect storm of debt that won't be paid off, but it was doing far, far better delinquincy numbers than credit card debt? Implausible. But the market, in its current mood, believes it enough for them to get away with it.

Re: Burrito Now, Pay Later

#30

I didn't understand this section, why would they pay $73 for $75 and where do the $25 come from? "Investor Economics: Assume a $100 BNPL loan. $25 is paid upfront by the Consumer, so an Investor pays $73 for a $75 loan, discounted for risk, fees, and return expectations. The Investor receives $75 from customer repayments over 6 weeks minus servicing fees of $0.25. A $1.75 profit on $73 investment over 6 weeks is a 2.…

For why the investor pays $73, it's right there in your quote:

> an Investor pays $73 for a $75 loan, discounted for risk, fees, and return expectations

The investor doesn't expect to get 100% of that $75 back on average.

The $25 is the first payment, which is made immediately.

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