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Not a three-year-old chimney sweep (2022)

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Re: Not a three-year-old chimney sweep (2022)

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Post by croes »

irjustin wrote: post #15
dlkmp wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you read the article? It was a real world practice, but long gone already at that time (in the mentioned parts of Europe at least).

I'll play's devil's advocate - is there really a difference? People were angry (rightfully so) at children chimney sweeps and they definitely existed, were abused and did die/have horrible problems/etc. So the outrage is justified. Now, the specific picture isn't true/authentic, but the contents of the picture definitely existed did. So is it wrong?

But they are targeting the wrong time period with their anger.

It’s like with the witch hunts which are associated with the middle ages but happened later.

Re: Not a three-year-old chimney sweep (2022)

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Post by clipsy »

noosphr wrote: post #9

There should be a name for the phenomenon where people upset about some injustice pick the least plausible example to use as the cause celebre of the injustice. For a more modern take I can't understand why Daniel Shaver is not the face of police murder in the US. The video is on YouTube, you can find the unedited version with a Google search. There is no benefit of the doubt to give. It was straight up murder done o…

It's unfortunate that the shooter was not convicted, but the mere fact that there was an investigation and a trial differentiates it from a lot of police violence causes célèbres.

Re: Not a three-year-old chimney sweep (2022)

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Post by fyrn_ »

kubb wrote: post #12

So it was a common practice a century before the photo was taken. How is it surprising that people get upset? The photo is a record of a depiction of a practice that existed. It’s the practice that people don’t like, not the depiction.

Part of why people are upsetis because they think this is a much more recent example of the thing they dislike than expected. It's disingenuous to pretend it's only the practice not the context which influences people.

Re: Not a three-year-old chimney sweep (2022)

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Post by yen223 »

bruce511 wrote: post #4

It really doesn't take much to get people outraged. The last 20 years or so of social media, and cultural politics has taught us that. And enraged people are easily manipulated. Americans were enraged after 9/11, and that engagement was quickly weaponized into the Patriot Act and the "War on Terror". The flip side of all this enragement is a callous apathy. Things that really should concern me (like the eradication o…

Were many people outraged by this photo?

This is the first I've heard of the photo or the outrage, so I genuinely don't know

Re: Not a three-year-old chimney sweep (2022)

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Post by kubb »

fyrn_ wrote: post #23
kubb wrote: post #12

So it was a common practice a century before the photo was taken. How is it surprising that people get upset? The photo is a record of a depiction of a practice that existed. It’s the practice that people don’t like, not the depiction.

Part of why people are upsetis because they think this is a much more recent example of the thing they dislike than expected. It's disingenuous to pretend it's only the practice not the context which influences people.

Sure, context matters. You could claim "there were no 3 year olds ACTUALLY working as chimney sweeps anywhere in the world in 1930", if you wanted to make this point. But, I suspect it's not so clear if that's even true, just as the author can only suspect this is a reenactment in this photo.

Re: Not a three-year-old chimney sweep (2022)

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Post by sethammons »

jMyles wrote: post #11
noosphr wrote: post #9

There should be a name for the phenomenon where people upset about some injustice pick the least plausible example to use as the cause celebre of the injustice. For a more modern take I can't understand why Daniel Shaver is not the face of police murder in the US. The video is on YouTube, you can find the unedited version with a Google search. There is no benefit of the doubt to give. It was straight up murder done o…

> no one remembers it. That doesn't resonate with my experience. People know about the murder, but aren't sure what to do. The murderer, who clearly had mental health issues (eg, having "you're fucked" on the dust cover of his personal AR-15, which he used to commit the act), was acquitted (in a trial of strange circumstances). It's baffling that none of his colleagues - who saw the message on his weapon - ever pulle…

I am not remotely aware of this case. How does those words, or any words, on a gun case/cover relate to mental health issues? This isn't a manifesto; it is more like "guard dog? Beware of owner!" decal, or a Calvin pissing on a coexist sticker. Or truck nuts. These might be distasteful to some but is unrelated to mental health. I'd be more worried about my former neighbor who had an unhealthy love of maglite flashlights and owned like 50 of 'em. _That_ was strange.

Re: Not a three-year-old chimney sweep (2022)

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Post by biorach »

giorgosts wrote: post #19
dlkmp wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you read the article? It was a real world practice, but long gone already at that time (in the mentioned parts of Europe at least).

Why would the filmmakers make the re-enactment though? For social media? For clicks over the interwebs? For context, by the late '20 programs were running for the elimination of Gypsies and disabled children inside concentration camps. Pieces of burned clothing were found on rooftops. Even Britain had a eugenics program against inferior races. Not likely therefore made to cause outrage over children's rights, rather…

> Why would the filmmakers make the re-enactment though?

because, as you'll see in the article, people thought it was cute and funny to dress up very small children as chimney sweeps

> by the late '20 programs were running for the elimination of Gypsies and disabled children inside concentration camps

You've got your timeline mixed up

Re: Not a three-year-old chimney sweep (2022)

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Post by anovikov »

noosphr wrote: post #9

There should be a name for the phenomenon where people upset about some injustice pick the least plausible example to use as the cause celebre of the injustice. For a more modern take I can't understand why Daniel Shaver is not the face of police murder in the US. The video is on YouTube, you can find the unedited version with a Google search. There is no benefit of the doubt to give. It was straight up murder done o…

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Re: Not a three-year-old chimney sweep (2022)

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Post by dcminter »

normie3000 wrote: post #16
dcminter wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Guildhall in London is one of the old political centres of the city. If you go down into the basement there's the remains of a Roman ampitheatre! Tucked away in an alcove on Cannon Street is an old block of stone. This is the famous London Stone. So old that nobody knows what it is originally famous for... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guildhall,_London https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Stone That sort of…

> That ampitheatre shows that street level in ancient times Why do street levels change like this? There seem to be a lot of "buried streets" in old cities.

2000(ish) years of dust and leaf litter adds up!

Re: Not a three-year-old chimney sweep (2022)

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Post by bruce511 »

yen223 wrote: post #24
bruce511 wrote: post #4

It really doesn't take much to get people outraged. The last 20 years or so of social media, and cultural politics has taught us that. And enraged people are easily manipulated. Americans were enraged after 9/11, and that engagement was quickly weaponized into the Patriot Act and the "War on Terror". The flip side of all this enragement is a callous apathy. Things that really should concern me (like the eradication o…

Were many people outraged by this photo? This is the first I've heard of the photo or the outrage, so I genuinely don't know

Get enough people and you'll find someone outraged about everything.

If you want to modernize the analogy you might compare it to "school children identifying as cats and needing litterboxes" or any number of modern contemporary outrage over completely made up things.

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