This project looks cool but seems to be more interested in their governance model/politics than actually building it? Lot's of handwavy references to socialist movements but not a lot of documentation?
Slow software for a burning world
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Re: Slow software for a burning world
#22Slightly unrelated maybe, but I'm really hoping that the https://once.com model would take off. That would be the change I would want to see in the software world. It's more simpler to understand than governance, public interest, etc. Just pay once and own the software. I really don't think software is that deep or has many philosophical implications.
But isn't that out of sync with reality? If I have to maintain software and put in more hours but only get paid once, I have to grow and grow and grow to keep getting paid. I'm actually developing a screen recording app for macos that's gonna be paid once, but will only have updates for a year. You can use it until apple changes APIs and whatever, but otherwise it wouldn't be a sustainable business model for me. I th…
No I totally hear you, I don't even practice what I preach because I have a subscription-based side-project: https://forms.md
I guess I would like to see someone make the Once model work to great success. I don't know how you would deal with updates and stuff, but that's what I meant. One "simple" solution is just charging the LTV (or something that's close to it) as the one-time price.
Re: Slow software for a burning world
#23Slightly unrelated maybe, but I'm really hoping that the https://once.com model would take off. That would be the change I would want to see in the software world. It's more simpler to understand than governance, public interest, etc. Just pay once and own the software. I really don't think software is that deep or has many philosophical implications.
But isn't that out of sync with reality? If I have to maintain software and put in more hours but only get paid once, I have to grow and grow and grow to keep getting paid. I'm actually developing a screen recording app for macos that's gonna be paid once, but will only have updates for a year. You can use it until apple changes APIs and whatever, but otherwise it wouldn't be a sustainable business model for me. I th…
This was solved before subscriptions took over everything by having to pay for new major versions. You pay once and have a limited duration of updates, after that you stick with the current version or pay again for the upgrade.
The benefit of doing it this way was that the user had a choice in upgrading which aligned incentives between users and developers. The developer had to deliver tangible improvements in order to keep payments from existing users coming. These days they change the color scheme every six months, remove features, change the UI for no dicernable reason and label the whole changelog "Various changes and bug fixes" when the product is clearly a mature product that should be in maintenance mode with no significant changes required.
Re: Slow software for a burning world
#24I cannot figure out what Bonfire is . - The homepage has a bunch of "Bonfire is...", but they don't tell me much about how Bonfire achieves any of those goals like to be a "commons". - There's a codebase and documentation, but it comes in six different "flavours" , although I can only really differentiate between two. - Most of the FAQs just say "wip". - It proudly states that there are no ads, no tracking, etc, but…
"Bonfire is an open-source framework for building federated digital spaces where people can gather, interact, and form communities online."
https://docs.bonfirenetworks.org/readme.html
Further down the page it says it is built in Elixir with Phoenix/LiveView and PostgreSQL.
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#25I cannot figure out what Bonfire is . - The homepage has a bunch of "Bonfire is...", but they don't tell me much about how Bonfire achieves any of those goals like to be a "commons". - There's a codebase and documentation, but it comes in six different "flavours" , although I can only really differentiate between two. - Most of the FAQs just say "wip". - It proudly states that there are no ads, no tracking, etc, but…
>This post was written by the Bonfire maintainers' circle and shaped by feedback from the advisory circle.
It is something about community, the sense of belonging, glorified bureaucracy, being slow, and good writing. A Kinfolk of software.
Relevant meme: "I took LSD last night and had this vision of a federated social network that will disrupt the world. Will you help bring it to fruition? I can't offer any money right now"
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
Aren't they chasing those to ultimately generate profits?
Not in the past 10 years or so, no. To the point that Uber said they may never generate profit in their IPO filing
They may never, but the competitors they killed with being VC funded, will never
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#27I cannot figure out what Bonfire is . - The homepage has a bunch of "Bonfire is...", but they don't tell me much about how Bonfire achieves any of those goals like to be a "commons". - There's a codebase and documentation, but it comes in six different "flavours" , although I can only really differentiate between two. - Most of the FAQs just say "wip". - It proudly states that there are no ads, no tracking, etc, but…
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#28> Profit over people: at what cost? Profit hasn't been the goal of Silicon Valley for a very long time. Revenue and growth have been the goals, and chasing those two has been much more damaging than chasing profits.
Aren't they chasing those to ultimately generate profits?
Power and dominion, if that hasn’t become obvious yet.
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#29These sites are easy to figure out.
Go to Main Page
Scroll down to go to the "Code of Conduct"
Search on "Reverse"
Read
"Our community prioritises marginalised people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort. Moderators reserve the right not to act on complaints regarding:
‘Reverse’ -isms, including ‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia.’ or critiques of racist, sexist, cissexist, or otherwise oppressive behaviors or assumptions."
Ask yourself if you want to be a part of a community of people that condones certain racism and sexism.
Re: Slow software for a burning world
#30there is a fine balance between new features and performance (e.g. android/ios apis, .net apis in unity game engine etc.) but I think there's a consensus around certain software not keeping its responsiveness acceleration on par with hardware capability acceleration, some of it driven by ideas like "everyone phone now has 8gb of ram, c'mon", but most of it by profit incentives on the other side, e.g. cloud providers.…
I fail to see how your comment relates to the article or the Bonfire project. But maybe the general approach triggered you to post this. I am curious. Would you enlighten me?