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Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

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I'll add on to this: I don't really use agent modes a lot. In an existing codebase, they waste a lot of my time for mixed results. Maybe Claude Code is so much better at this that it enables a different paradigm of AI editing—but I'd need easy, cheap access to try it.

You don't need a max subscription to use Claude Code. By default it uses your API credits, and I guess I'm not a heavy AI user yet (for my hobby projects), but I haven't spent more than $5/month on Claude Code the past few months.

The problem with it is that it uses a 30k~ token system prompt (albeit "cached"), and very quickly the usage goes up to a few million. I can easily spend over $10 a day.

Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

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Agent mode without rails is like a boat without a rudder.

What worked for me was coming up with an extremely opinionated way to develop an application and then generating instructions (mini milestones) by combining it with the requirements.

These instructions end up being very explicit in the sequence of things it should do (write the tests first), how the code should be written and where to place it etc. So the output ended up being very similar regardless of the coding agent being used.

Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

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the new Claude code “max plan” would last me all of [1] 5mins… I don’t get why people are excited about this. High powered tools aren’t cheap and aren’t for the consumer… [1] https://www.youtube.com/live/khr-cIc7zjc?si=oI9Fj33JBeDlQEYG

If that's the case you should stop using it, because there's no way you see any ROI when you spend that much to just do some coding stuff. It would be cheaper to your company to literally pay your salary while you do nothing.

I'd love to see your math.

Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

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I'm curious whether anyone's actually using Claude code successfully. I tried it on release and found it negative value for tasks other than spinning up generic web projects. For existing codebases of even a moderate size, it burns through cash to write code that is always slightly wrong and requires more tuning than writing it myself.

Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

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I'm curious whether anyone's actually using Claude code successfully. I tried it on release and found it negative value for tasks other than spinning up generic web projects. For existing codebases of even a moderate size, it burns through cash to write code that is always slightly wrong and requires more tuning than writing it myself.

Yes. For small apps, as well distributed systems.

You have to puppeteer it and build a meta context/tasking management system. I spend a lot of time setting Claude code up for success. I usually start with Gemini for creating context, development plans, and project tasking outlines (I can feed large portions of codebase to Gemini and rely on its strategy). I’ve even put entire library docsites in my repos for Claude code to use - but today they announced web search.

They also have todos built in which make the above even more powerful.

The end result is insane productivity - I think the only metric I have is something like 15-20k lines of code for a recent distributed processing system from scratch over 5 days.

Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

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If that's the case you should stop using it, because there's no way you see any ROI when you spend that much to just do some coding stuff. It would be cheaper to your company to literally pay your salary while you do nothing.

I'd love to see your math.

It's pretty simple: that usage in 5 min is probably at least $10 worth of API credits in that time (maybe $100).

A year has 2000 working hours, which is 24000 5-minute intervals. That means the company spending at least $240,000 on the Claude API (conservatively). So they would be better off having $100-200k you do nothing and hiring someone competent for that $240k.

Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

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Agent mode without rails is like a boat without a rudder. What worked for me was coming up with an extremely opinionated way to develop an application and then generating instructions (mini milestones) by combining it with the requirements. These instructions end up being very explicit in the sequence of things it should do (write the tests first), how the code should be written and where to place it etc. So the outp…

I've tried every variation of this very thing. Even managed to build a quick and dirty ticketing system that I could assign to the LLM of my choosing. WITH context. Talking Graph Codebase's diagrams, mappings, tree structure of every possibility, simple documentation, complex documentation, a bunch of OSS to do this very thing automatically etcetcetc.

In the codebase I've tried modularity via monorepo, or faux microservices with local apis, monoliths filled with hooks and all the other centralized tricks in the book. Down to the very very simple. Whatever I could do to bring down the context window needed.

Eventually.....your return diminish. And any time you saved is gone.

And by the time you've burned up a context window and you're ready to get out. Now you're expeciting it to output a concise artifact to carry you to the next chat so you don't have to spend more context getting that thread up to speed.

Inevitably the context window and the LLMs eagerness to touch shit that it's not supposed (the likelihood of which increases with context) always gets in the way.

Anything with any kind of complexity ends up in a game of too much bloat or the LLM removing pieces that kill other pieces that it wasn't aware about.

/VENT

Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't need a max subscription to use Claude Code. By default it uses your API credits, and I guess I'm not a heavy AI user yet (for my hobby projects), but I haven't spent more than $5/month on Claude Code the past few months.

I spent $5 in 10 minutes when I tried it.

For me, it was $10 in 2 hours. That’s super cheap if it saves me significant time. Jury’s out on that, though.
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