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Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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I'm hosting my blog on cloudflare pages, it's analytics show 80 or so uniques every day consistently even though I barely write there. Installed Umami - 0 visitors. None. Internet is just LLM crawlers hungry for content now?

We passed the tipping point where bot traffic outnumbered human traffic fifteen years ago. LLMs are an order of magnitude worse by most first-hand accounts, but it's just a continuation of a very long trend.

Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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I'm hosting my blog on cloudflare pages, it's analytics show 80 or so uniques every day consistently even though I barely write there. Installed Umami - 0 visitors. None. Internet is just LLM crawlers hungry for content now?

I see this too on my CF Pages-hosted blog.

Analytics only work if the agent runs JS. CF on the other hand counts file fetches, which can't be circumvented.

There's always a baseline of bot traffic.

Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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You can hash every IPV4 for a rainbow table. Needs some salt.

Okay, but that doesn't mean the concept is bad.

Yes it does.

If a user can say "here's my IP address, what data do you have on me?" and you can answer that question, then that's personal data under GDPR. It's pseudynomized, but not anonymized, and pseudynomous data is personal data.

Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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The market for Google Analytics alternatives is crowded. There's Plausible, Ahrefs web analytics, onedollarstats.com, PostHog, Matomo, Unami, Grafana, Microsoft Clarity (free at any scale), and so many others. Despite minor differences these products all compete for the same users (e.g. if someone is a PostHog customer they probably won't be using Ahref web analytics) yet most of these companies offer generous free t…

Are these open source and locally hosted? Or you must share your data with a big corporation to use them?

Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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post #22

I'm hosting my blog on cloudflare pages, it's analytics show 80 or so uniques every day consistently even though I barely write there. Installed Umami - 0 visitors. None. Internet is just LLM crawlers hungry for content now?

I see this too on my CF Pages-hosted blog. Analytics only work if the agent runs JS. CF on the other hand counts file fetches, which can't be circumvented. There's always a baseline of bot traffic.

ah, that explains it, I think. I expected them to sessionize the file transfers under one unique somehow still, even without JS.

Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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For me, the best Google analytics replacement has been nothing. Just don’t do analytics at all. Your web site will still work without it. In fact, it will work better!

Once upon a time we did analytics and error analysis by running shell scripts executing awk, sed and grep over a apache or nginx access log or error log.

What I am trying to say is that you can still do analytics, even pretty advanced stuff with some more elaborate scripting, if you want. The only thing you need is the access log.

Something which has been largely forgotten ever since tools like Urchin became a thing :)

Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I deal with GDPR daily and the truth is that GDPR enforcement doesn't understand what is acceptable from a GDPR standpoint and that is likely why they are in the process of revamping it. You can also anonymize data and that is no longer considered personal data under GDPR so it is possible to hash an IP address and that be acceptable.

> You can also anonymize data and that is no longer considered personal data under GDPR so it is possible to hash an IP address and that be acceptable. That's not completely true. Recital 26 of GDPR stipulates that > “information which does not relate to an identified or identifiable natural person or to personal data rendered anonymous in such a manner that the data subject is not or no longer identifiable.” Hashing…

Disclaimer: IANAL

> If the same IP address is hashed using the same method, the result will always be the same, meaning it can be matched.

The way people get around this is by using an ephemeral salt, that is deleted e.g. daily. After enough time has passed, it'd be impossible to reverse the hash as the salt would be lost.

Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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The market for Google Analytics alternatives is crowded. There's Plausible, Ahrefs web analytics, onedollarstats.com, PostHog, Matomo, Unami, Grafana, Microsoft Clarity (free at any scale), and so many others. Despite minor differences these products all compete for the same users (e.g. if someone is a PostHog customer they probably won't be using Ahref web analytics) yet most of these companies offer generous free t…

Are these open source and locally hosted? Or you must share your data with a big corporation to use them?

Is sharing your data with a startup or small company any better than sharing it with a big corporation?

Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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post #9

For me, the best Google analytics replacement has been nothing. Just don’t do analytics at all. Your web site will still work without it. In fact, it will work better!

Once upon a time we did analytics and error analysis by running shell scripts executing awk, sed and grep over a apache or nginx access log or error log. What I am trying to say is that you can still do analytics, even pretty advanced stuff with some more elaborate scripting, if you want. The only thing you need is the access log. Something which has been largely forgotten ever since tools like Urchin became a thing…

One of the greatest jobs I ever had from a technical perspective had terabytes of structured access logs hosted on prem inside of a VPN, with a few small bespoke tools to search through them (and many more pages of commands for common tasks not yet implemented in a UI).

Not a single line of tracking or analytics on the front end, we just tracked everything we cared about at the server level.

Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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post #20

The market for Google Analytics alternatives is crowded. There's Plausible, Ahrefs web analytics, onedollarstats.com, PostHog, Matomo, Unami, Grafana, Microsoft Clarity (free at any scale), and so many others. Despite minor differences these products all compete for the same users (e.g. if someone is a PostHog customer they probably won't be using Ahref web analytics) yet most of these companies offer generous free t…

Are these open source and locally hosted? Or you must share your data with a big corporation to use them?

PostHog and Plausible are both open source and not backed by big corporations but if sharing data to third parties and being open source is a concern (which seems to be the selling point rybbit.io is targeting) I would expect users to self host instead of paying for a hosted plan anyways?
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