That is a seriously talented pilot. He makes it look like a natural maneuver but the margin for error was incredibly low.
Is he? If he had to do that 100 times, how many times would he succeed? What would be the average across all pilots for that type? What would be the variance?
I'm happy he succeeded, this time, but I can't resist nitpicking the flaw in your argument. Can you tell I'm reading Fooled by Randomness?
As a pilot, it's great to watch a guy make something hair-raising into something that looks like a milk run. I'd be interested to see if the pilot had a float rating. I'd also be curious as to how the wind was in relation to the river. Ideally the plane would be pointing directly upwind as it hit the water. However the details worked out (and we pilots love the details) the crew had only seconds to configure and land…
That is a seriously talented pilot. He makes it look like a natural maneuver but the margin for error was incredibly low.
Is he? If he had to do that 100 times, how many times would he succeed? What would be the average across all pilots for that type? What would be the variance? I'm happy he succeeded, this time, but I can't resist nitpicking the flaw in your argument. Can you tell I'm reading Fooled by Randomness ?
Ya, those are fair questions. I don't have the information to answer them objectively since I'm just a dirt farmer from Alabama but noonespecial explains it pretty well.
As a pilot, it's great to watch a guy make something hair-raising into something that looks like a milk run. I'd be interested to see if the pilot had a float rating. I'd also be curious as to how the wind was in relation to the river. Ideally the plane would be pointing directly upwind as it hit the water. However the details worked out (and we pilots love the details) the crew had only seconds to configure and land…
There was also Air Transat flight 236 that landed in the Azores: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Transat_Flight_236 Do you remember what air line was involved in the South American incident?
There's a wiki page, but this discussion page is better
The pilots requested permission to fly the plane off the levee (!) but were denied.
There's a whole series of interesting power-out landings, including the DC-9 at Sioux City. A recap would be a good idea for a blog post for someone....
It was an incredible feat, but I don't think that knowing to keep the gear up when landing on water is particularly remarkable.
noonespecial is not talking about landing gear, he's probably talking about things like this: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/48376/plane_crashes_on_water/
That's a wreck in Ethopia where the hijacker grabbed the controls at the last moment before ditching and crashed the plane.
As a pilot, it's great to watch a guy make something hair-raising into something that looks like a milk run. I'd be interested to see if the pilot had a float rating. I'd also be curious as to how the wind was in relation to the river. Ideally the plane would be pointing directly upwind as it hit the water. However the details worked out (and we pilots love the details) the crew had only seconds to configure and land…
The Gimli Glider incident sounds incredible. I can't imagine how spooky it would be to be in a jet at 40,000 feet and have the engines go silent. How much of the noise in a jet is engine noise vs. air resistance?
It varies according to whether the plane is climbing, cruising or descending. From flying gliders, I'd guess about 50/50 during cruise. The sounds occupy different parts of the spectrum - wind noise is pretty white, but more in the higher part of the spectrum. Engine noise is a very deep, black-ish noise. You can hear the difference between a jet in climb and approach - the former makes a much louder, deeper noise. The latter sounds just like a skydiver, incidentally - if you stay at a quiet drop zone, you'll often wonder if there's a jet somewhere high up in the sky.
That is a seriously talented pilot. He makes it look like a natural maneuver but the margin for error was incredibly low.
According to news reports about him, Chesley Sullenberger is an excellent pilot. Yesterday's Times article about him (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/17/nyregion/17pilot.html) says that he won the Outstanding Cadet in Airmanship award when he was at the Air Force Academy.
noonespecial is not talking about landing gear, he's probably talking about things like this: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/48376/plane_crashes_on_water/
That's a wreck in Ethopia where the hijacker grabbed the controls at the last moment before ditching and crashed the plane.
I know, but it's a nice visual demonstration of how quickly things can go south in a water landing. Dip something into the water and it's just all over.