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Why can't Ivies cope with losing a few hundred million?

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Re: Why can't Ivies cope with losing a few hundred million?

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Post by joshuanapoli »

steveBK123 wrote: post #9

I am not a fan of the orange man. But I think its an interesting question if the feds should be funding rich Ivies with small numbers of students vs more efficient state universities which educated 100s of thousands each at a fraction of the cost per student. All of the Ivy League combined educate 65k undergrads. SUNY by comparison educates 5x that many at a tuition of 1/5th to 1/10th depending on in/out of state and…

So far, the funding in question is research grants. There's an argument that research is more effective at the universities that have concentrated the best researchers.

Re: Why can't Ivies cope with losing a few hundred million?

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Post by titanomachy »

steveBK123 wrote: post #9

I am not a fan of the orange man. But I think its an interesting question if the feds should be funding rich Ivies with small numbers of students vs more efficient state universities which educated 100s of thousands each at a fraction of the cost per student. All of the Ivy League combined educate 65k undergrads. SUNY by comparison educates 5x that many at a tuition of 1/5th to 1/10th depending on in/out of state and…

Most of the money is research grants, not for training undergrads.

Re: Why can't Ivies cope with losing a few hundred million?

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Post by freeone3000 »

ty6853 wrote: post #6
pjc50 wrote: post #4

"Free speech" is when the President unilaterally withholds research grants from universities, based on statements made by students (not faculty)?

This is the double edge sword of moving away from voluntary transaction in the market and towards government-imposed funding. The government takes away your ability to choose what to fund, holds the purse, then smacks the purse at you filled with the weight of your own money.

The government, with laws as written, has more restrictions on when it can pull money than private parties, due to its legal obligation to be content-of-speech-neutral. We are discovering that United Stares law is meaningless.

Re: Why can't Ivies cope with losing a few hundred million?

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Post by cg5280 »

steveBK123 wrote: post #9

I am not a fan of the orange man. But I think its an interesting question if the feds should be funding rich Ivies with small numbers of students vs more efficient state universities which educated 100s of thousands each at a fraction of the cost per student. All of the Ivy League combined educate 65k undergrads. SUNY by comparison educates 5x that many at a tuition of 1/5th to 1/10th depending on in/out of state and…

Many of the "good" universities in general seem more focused on prestige and acceptance rates than they do educating the masses. The Ivies could significantly expand the sizes of their student bodies (and to their credit they do make some content accessible online), but they don't because a lot of the value of a Harvard education is the exclusivity and the social network it gets you into.

Re: Why can't Ivies cope with losing a few hundred million?

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Post by mcmcmc »

joshuanapoli wrote: post #21
steveBK123 wrote: post #9

I am not a fan of the orange man. But I think its an interesting question if the feds should be funding rich Ivies with small numbers of students vs more efficient state universities which educated 100s of thousands each at a fraction of the cost per student. All of the Ivy League combined educate 65k undergrads. SUNY by comparison educates 5x that many at a tuition of 1/5th to 1/10th depending on in/out of state and…

So far, the funding in question is research grants. There's an argument that research is more effective at the universities that have concentrated the best researchers.

There’s also an argument that public funds should go to public schools.

Re: Why can't Ivies cope with losing a few hundred million?

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Post by e40 »

steveBK123 wrote: post #9

I am not a fan of the orange man. But I think its an interesting question if the feds should be funding rich Ivies with small numbers of students vs more efficient state universities which educated 100s of thousands each at a fraction of the cost per student. All of the Ivy League combined educate 65k undergrads. SUNY by comparison educates 5x that many at a tuition of 1/5th to 1/10th depending on in/out of state and…

It's unfortunate that a rational discussion could not be had before the cuts were made. I can see a scenario where you and I and many others agree with cuts to many organizations.

Re: Why can't Ivies cope with losing a few hundred million?

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Post by PaulHoule »

Papirola wrote: post #7

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I can't speak for other universities, but Jewish students have no reason to feel endangered at Cornell.

Some crazy Asian student wrote death threats to Jewish students and was kicked out. [1] When the lid blew off in Gaza all our sports events went clear bag, which was a hassle to me as a sports photographer. Security cameras popped up all over the engineering school over a weekend, contrast that to any blue collar projects in my building which always go on for months or years. The encampment on the arts quad was polite, nobody could say they were deprived of an education by it. Students who disrupted a job fair were suspended and ultimately reported.

[1] Black students, gay students, women, etc. can't say that they get this kind of service from public safety.

Re: Why can't Ivies cope with losing a few hundred million?

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Post by scottiebarnes »

ty6853 wrote: post #6
pjc50 wrote: post #4

"Free speech" is when the President unilaterally withholds research grants from universities, based on statements made by students (not faculty)?

This is the double edge sword of moving away from voluntary transaction in the market and towards government-imposed funding. The government takes away your ability to choose what to fund, holds the purse, then smacks the purse at you filled with the weight of your own money.

I'm not sure this is a "free market choices" problem. Some institutions like education should be funded by government, in part or in whole.

The government threatening to take away that funding based on "taste" is more of a problem of authoritarianism.

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