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Secret Deals, Foreign Investments: The Rise of Trump’s Crypto Firm

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People voted Trump for different reasons. Not understanding their reasons does not make you smarter. They were not all low IQ. Ignoring a big chunk of the population because they are "racist", "bigots" and "single-digit IQ yokels" will make you loose the next election to whoever decides to listen to them instead to lecture them. Do that multiple times and you may end-up with a dicator(or at least someone who can beco…

> "racist", "bigots" and "single-digit IQ yokels" One of the narratives I hear repeated a lot that is simply untrue is around white americans. Trump doubled his numbers for minority (male) voters vs. the last time he was elected.

But rather than coming up with a new, more nuanced view of what's happening people would rather trot out old tropes like *republicans are white and racist and bad*.

Even with all the anti-immigrant stuff Trump increased his share of non-native born american voters.

The refusal of people on the left to update their world view was one of the big reasons why they lost the election.

I thought this Ezra Klien interview taling about election polling data was informative: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sx0J7dIlL7c

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That's quite unfair. Trump's support cut across a wide swath of (mostly white) Americans, including educated and/or well-off coastal and Midwest voters. Many, many people who considered themselves well-informed, in the mainstream, and in their right mind, voted for him. And nothing changes until you can convince those people of the truth, which is that they screwed up.

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Many of those voters aren't ill-informed, they're simply ok with a dictatorial jackass running the county, so long as that dictatorial jackass looks and acts like them, and does the things that agree with their world-view.

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Many of those voters aren't ill-informed, they're simply ok with a dictatorial jackass running the county, so long as that dictatorial jackass looks and acts like them, and does the things that agree with their world-view.

That's fair.

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This article is soft peddling corruption, and it confirms that Trump takes bribes via his cryptocurrency operation.

That this is even remotely surprising to anybody is the only surprising thing about it. He took bribes via his hotel last time. He takes massive donations from Bezos and Zuck and others to his inauguration fund or presidential library or whatever other slush funds he can use to skirt anti-bribery regulations.

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That's quite unfair. Trump's support cut across a wide swath of (mostly white) Americans, including educated and/or well-off coastal and Midwest voters. Many, many people who considered themselves well-informed, in the mainstream, and in their right mind, voted for him. And nothing changes until you can convince those people of the truth, which is that they screwed up.

I thought this election had much lower turnout than the last? That coupled with the fact that incumbents lost globally due to inflation, it isn't surprising that Trump won. Pretending it was because we didn't baby the MAGA voters enough is misguided, IMO.

Lower turnout for Democrats, not Trump. Most of the stories about some demographic skewing right in 2024 are exaggerating the trend because most of those people voted for him in 2020, too, but many Biden voters stayed home.

(I’m not saying that nobody changed their vote, only that looking at percentage point changes distorts the view unless you factor in disproportionate no-show rates.)

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People voted Trump for different reasons. Not understanding their reasons does not make you smarter. They were not all low IQ. Ignoring a big chunk of the population because they are "racist", "bigots" and "single-digit IQ yokels" will make you loose the next election to whoever decides to listen to them instead to lecture them. Do that multiple times and you may end-up with a dicator(or at least someone who can beco…

> "racist", "bigots" and "single-digit IQ yokels" One of the narratives I hear repeated a lot that is simply untrue is around white americans. Trump doubled his numbers for minority (male) voters vs. the last time he was elected. But rather than coming up with a new, more nuanced view of what's happening people would rather trot out old tropes like *republicans are white and racist and bad*. Even with all the anti-im…

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Also, nothing changes while the wedge being driven by the powers who want a populace divide has power, on both sides. It's by design that those splits happen, when the desk jockeys earning six-figures are seen (and a lot of times, see themselves) as a completely different caste of people than the factory workers, gig workers, etc. it sucks all the air out of the room from real issues: less fortunate people left behin…

> Still, at least extending some pity to their ignorance might help oneself to feel less angry (but still disappointed) about their decisions, they don't know better and it fucking sucks. The issue is that this isn't a new phenomenon. This has been happening since at least Reagan (over 40 years ago). That cross-section of America has decided to vote against their interests in every major election for decades. I'm ove…

It's not but it's designed to not be a new phenomenon. People are kept uneducated, ignorant about the world, how it works, why does it work, how society works, etc.

They are fed lies and don't have the capacity to understand they are lies. It's partly their fault (for the lack of curiosity) but it's also systemic, such a phenomenon can only happen in this scale if there are systems fostering, and procreating it.

Not saying your feelings are invalid, at all, they are absolutely understandable but it's also the reaction wanted by the ones keeping others uneducated: a larger divide, an ever increasing gap between the people most similar in society. It's divide-and-conquer, we waste our time and energy raging against folks who are purely ignorant, not against the ones keeping them ignorant and easily manipulated. We lost our temper trying to converse with them, which further increases the division.

Not here to give any solutions or tell you to change behaviours, applying in real life a more measured approach to reach these people is really fucking hard, frustrating, etc. but just saying that the reaction of "fuck'em" is exactly part of the strategy for continuing dividing and conquering us.

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I don't see much references to "the swamp" anymore now that we have a sitting president doing a crypto grift. I thought dark money and mysterious figures pulling the strings is conspiracy worthy but I guess not when it's Trump.

Well, he drained the swamp, now he's doing what he does best, paving it over and building a soon-to-be-failed casino.

Say what you will about "the swamp" (not a big fan myself), but as a metaphor it kinda works since a swamp may be noxious and filled with unsavory swamp creatures... but it's still an ecosystem where competition and co-evolution amongst these swamp species in response to external environmental changes would still be expected.

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