Live data from Hacker News

Ask HN: Cofounder conflict, startup dying or dead for a long time already?

news.ycombinator.com

21–28 of 28 posts

Re: Ask HN: Cofounder conflict, startup dying or dead for a long time already?

#21
post #20

Failure to communicate is reason enough to call it quits. I'm having the same problem with my cofounder. He refuses to work via phone calls--it has to be email only. I'm in the process of withdrawing my financial investment from the company and leaving to start my own version of the same company.

> I'm having the same problem with my cofounder. He refuses to work via phone calls--it has to be email only.

he wants to have in written everything you say so he has stuff on you. in other words, he doesn't trust you. otherwise, a follow up email with notes about phonecall agreements would be more than enough.

Re: Ask HN: Cofounder conflict, startup dying or dead for a long time already?

#22
post #14
post #10

Sounds like you got a bad cofounder. I was listening to a VentureHacks talk about finding a cofounder, and they had two main points: 1. Is your team making progress? Because startups have fewer people and resources, your founding team needs to be effective producers. 2. Do you guys trust each other to have your back? An example they gave was how two cofounders were arguing over equity. Instead of arguing that the oth…

We definitely could have been more efficient, we had a lot to learn. But the biggest problem I see is that we were still quite efficient producing features but not so much validating assumptions and developing customers/users (my stance: "let's go test it now and perhaps make some mistakes publicly but get feedback early", his stance: "it won't work unless we finish feature X, we have to change our business model and…

Who says anyone changed their opinion?

Sorry, but it appears to me to be that he wants as most coding done as possible before he invariable cuts you out of the deal. Going public would mean that you have a kind of partnership and are therefore entitled to equity. By keeping it private, or in a prototype phase, he can keep the number of people who are aware you are working together to a minimum.

Re: Ask HN: Cofounder conflict, startup dying or dead for a long time already?

#23
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We definitely could have been more efficient, we had a lot to learn. But the biggest problem I see is that we were still quite efficient producing features but not so much validating assumptions and developing customers/users (my stance: "let's go test it now and perhaps make some mistakes publicly but get feedback early", his stance: "it won't work unless we finish feature X, we have to change our business model and…

Who says anyone changed their opinion? Sorry, but it appears to me to be that he wants as most coding done as possible before he invariable cuts you out of the deal. Going public would mean that you have a kind of partnership and are therefore entitled to equity. By keeping it private, or in a prototype phase, he can keep the number of people who are aware you are working together to a minimum.

> Who says anyone changed their opinion?

I don't know what happened but I know the "awesome new guy" seems to be actually ok and very reasonable. He just fails to see the real point of the project and I think my cofounder is swayed too easily by unfounded opinions of people of a seemingly high status.

I actually don't think my cofounder is that much evil but he is out of touch with reality and refuses to engage in any communication that points it out. And yes, he's protecting his contacts quite hard and quite explicitly at times. Also tries to conceal the real state of things - I found out he got hired by the VC company only indirectly and after asking him a lot.

Re: Ask HN: Cofounder conflict, startup dying or dead for a long time already?

#24
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who says anyone changed their opinion? Sorry, but it appears to me to be that he wants as most coding done as possible before he invariable cuts you out of the deal. Going public would mean that you have a kind of partnership and are therefore entitled to equity. By keeping it private, or in a prototype phase, he can keep the number of people who are aware you are working together to a minimum.

> Who says anyone changed their opinion? I don't know what happened but I know the "awesome new guy" seems to be actually ok and very reasonable. He just fails to see the real point of the project and I think my cofounder is swayed too easily by unfounded opinions of people of a seemingly high status. I actually don't think my cofounder is that much evil but he is out of touch with reality and refuses to engage in an…

Whatever happens I hope things work out for you.

Re: Ask HN: Cofounder conflict, startup dying or dead for a long time already?

#25
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who says anyone changed their opinion? Sorry, but it appears to me to be that he wants as most coding done as possible before he invariable cuts you out of the deal. Going public would mean that you have a kind of partnership and are therefore entitled to equity. By keeping it private, or in a prototype phase, he can keep the number of people who are aware you are working together to a minimum.

> Who says anyone changed their opinion? I don't know what happened but I know the "awesome new guy" seems to be actually ok and very reasonable. He just fails to see the real point of the project and I think my cofounder is swayed too easily by unfounded opinions of people of a seemingly high status. I actually don't think my cofounder is that much evil but he is out of touch with reality and refuses to engage in an…

[deleted]

Re: Ask HN: Cofounder conflict, startup dying or dead for a long time already?

#26
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who says anyone changed their opinion? Sorry, but it appears to me to be that he wants as most coding done as possible before he invariable cuts you out of the deal. Going public would mean that you have a kind of partnership and are therefore entitled to equity. By keeping it private, or in a prototype phase, he can keep the number of people who are aware you are working together to a minimum.

> Who says anyone changed their opinion? I don't know what happened but I know the "awesome new guy" seems to be actually ok and very reasonable. He just fails to see the real point of the project and I think my cofounder is swayed too easily by unfounded opinions of people of a seemingly high status. I actually don't think my cofounder is that much evil but he is out of touch with reality and refuses to engage in an…

what kind of a co-founder "protects" his contacts from a fellow co-founder? Dysfunctional relationship at best. Cut him off, take everything you've built and go somewhere else. He's got nothing legal against you.

Then start learning abt VC, meeting people, and cutting deals by yourself. It's not that hard.

Re: Ask HN: Cofounder conflict, startup dying or dead for a long time already?

#27
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Who says anyone changed their opinion? I don't know what happened but I know the "awesome new guy" seems to be actually ok and very reasonable. He just fails to see the real point of the project and I think my cofounder is swayed too easily by unfounded opinions of people of a seemingly high status. I actually don't think my cofounder is that much evil but he is out of touch with reality and refuses to engage in an…

Whatever happens I hope things work out for you.

Thank you

Re: Ask HN: Cofounder conflict, startup dying or dead for a long time already?

#28
post #21
post #20

Failure to communicate is reason enough to call it quits. I'm having the same problem with my cofounder. He refuses to work via phone calls--it has to be email only. I'm in the process of withdrawing my financial investment from the company and leaving to start my own version of the same company.

> I'm having the same problem with my cofounder. He refuses to work via phone calls--it has to be email only. he wants to have in written everything you say so he has stuff on you. in other words, he doesn't trust you. otherwise, a follow up email with notes about phonecall agreements would be more than enough.

I cant and wont do phone calls for many things. Everything has to be by email or text like skype, ect. Nothing about trust and purely about documenation so it can be referenced word for word later.
Post reply on HN