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On loyalty to your employer (2018)

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Re: On loyalty to your employer (2018)

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Post by Apocryphon »

closewith wrote: post #3
turtleyacht wrote: post #2

You can be as quickly dismissed as the guy reads off a piece of paper (for liability purposes), swivels the camera round to HR rep, and your access is cut off right after the call. You have pretty much a minute or two (if that) to bye a sentence to a couple chats, and it's over. Done. Oh, and swing by to return equipment. Thanks. Not that it's worse by any previous measure. Just the process folks will go through: blo…

For context, the OP is in the EU and UK, where none of the above is true. That said, he's a recruiter and there's nothing of value to be found in the blog post.

idk, while trite, the bulleted list is full of common sense that’s all too easily forgotten:

> * Do not sacrifice your relationship with family and friends to appease your employer.

* Do not sacrifice your mental wellbeing to appease your employer.

* Do not sacrifice your dignity, values, and ethics to appease your employer.

* Do not buy into the bullshit hype of “hustle” to appease your employer.

Re: On loyalty to your employer (2018)

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Post by CharlieDigital »

arjonagelhout wrote: post #18
CharlieDigital wrote: post #4

> “When I’m on my deathbed, I won’t look back at my life and wish I had worked harder. I’ll look back and wish I spent more time with the people I loved.” I saw a Reddit thread the other day on r/startups or r/entrepreneur where the OP was talking about how they'll be working until the day he or she dies. I immediately wondered if this individual had a family, friends. Had this person already seen the world and its m…

Speaking as a person who can’t see themselves stop working, I think an important factor is how one derives meaning from their life. For some it might be living amazing experiences, and for others it can be in helping others (which could qualify as work). The healthiest seems to be a combination of the two, with a different ratio depending on the person. Here in the Netherlands it’s common to see retired people do vol…

"Work" here I would define as exchanging time for money.

Volunteering is not work.

For me personally, I make a distinction between "working" and "creating". I will always want to create (a very broad term), but I will not always want to work. In fact, I don't want to work now; I only want to create. The best is when I can exchange my creation for money -- then it is no longer work.

Re: On loyalty to your employer (2018)

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Post by jessekv »

dcminter wrote: post #14
objclxt wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the OP is in the EU and UK, where none of the above is true. You can absolutely be dismissed without cause in the UK, protections against this only kick in after two years of employment.

Statutory notice period would still apply in the UK. You'll get at least a week's notice unless you've been there less than a month.

True, but to be fair the statutory notice period is for the pay, not access to the internal messaging systems.

Re: On loyalty to your employer (2018)

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Post by PhilipRoman »

PeterStuer wrote: post #5

Systemically, there is a bias to find/retain employees that overcommit, and a bias for employers that will undercommit to the "relationship". Rationally you can agree it is a purely transactional state. Working hours for compensation. Emotionally in tech many love the work itself, or the nerdy glamour of the industry, or the inherent intelectual bravadory and oneupmanship, and so are ripe for exploitation. HR will dr…

Eh, I'm okay with doing more than required, as long as the employer also does so on their part.

Re: On loyalty to your employer (2018)

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Post by paulcole »

CharlieDigital wrote: post #4

> “When I’m on my deathbed, I won’t look back at my life and wish I had worked harder. I’ll look back and wish I spent more time with the people I loved.” I saw a Reddit thread the other day on r/startups or r/entrepreneur where the OP was talking about how they'll be working until the day he or she dies. I immediately wondered if this individual had a family, friends. Had this person already seen the world and its m…

Maybe the person just doesn’t care about swimming with whales or having friends? Does everybody really think the dense Amazon jungle is neat?

You’re projecting what you think makes life worth living onto someone else.

Can you really not imagine that for another person working is what they love as much as you seem to love climbing snowy mountains?

> Life is too short

I agree with this. It’s too short to think about how someone else is spending theirs.

Re: On loyalty to your employer (2018)

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Post by maccard »

CharlieDigital wrote: post #19
maccard wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the middle ground is healthy. I'm in my early 30's, I have a job that I get to "create" in (I make video games). > I immediately wondered if this individual had a family, friends. Had this person already seen the world and its many sights and wonders? Had they already experienced everything good there is to experience in this one lifetime that they were so bored of it that they would prefer to work instead? H…

> "I can't wait until I'm 50 and I can finally start doing all those things". I had an uncle pass last year and he was only 30 years older than me. He had already retired and a multi-millionaire in assets. Yet my aunt refused to retire because of a high paying job with little actual work. She kept working. When he passed, the family asked me to put together a montage video and shared their photos with me spanning his…

Travelling isn’t the be all and end all of things either remember. That might be something that you prioritise but isn’t as important to other people. They might value time with family and friends, and that’s ok too. A bit like with food, “variety is the spice of life”

Re: On loyalty to your employer (2018)

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Post by shinycode »

agubelu wrote: post #20

I dislike the word "loyalty" when talking about employment. Loyalty is for your spouse, friends and family. Your relationship with your employer is a contractual one. When it comes to my job, I believe in doing your best possible work, being professional and acting in good faith. I expect to be paid fairly and treated with respect. If this relationship is mutually beneficial, it can go on for a long while. But it's i…

100% agree, loyalty goes both ways and we rarely see loyal employers (massive layoffs including hi-profile employee who dedicated their life to the company)

Re: On loyalty to your employer (2018)

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Post by scyzoryk_xyz »

Hustle hard! Work is not everything! You are what you do! Life is adventure! Your team is your family! It's just business! Don't have expectations! No, do have expectations! This company is different! Wait, all companies are the same! Go on vacation! No! Come back! Be more productive! No, wait, be less productive, have work-life balance...

Just don't be an asshole. Some loyalty is fine... or not! It depends!

Re: On loyalty to your employer (2018)

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Post by Haul4ss »

agubelu wrote: post #20

I dislike the word "loyalty" when talking about employment. Loyalty is for your spouse, friends and family. Your relationship with your employer is a contractual one. When it comes to my job, I believe in doing your best possible work, being professional and acting in good faith. I expect to be paid fairly and treated with respect. If this relationship is mutually beneficial, it can go on for a long while. But it's i…

This is a very rich-world view of work. Most people can't just "unilaterally rescind" their employment if they decide they don't like it anymore.

I don't disagree with what you're getting at, just understand that loyalty is a necessity to a lot of folks, and I don't think it is because their values are misplaced.

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