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Re: Native visionOS platform support

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Post by dynjo »

nopakos wrote: post #17
999900000999 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It looks like Apple put their own people on this one. If they want to maintain this, the Godot foundation needs to be extremely clear about that. You're talking about an extremely niche platform that will require tons of ongoing maintenance. I would have hoped Apple also spent time working on the general engine and maybe tackling some bugs. Maybe they did maybe they didn't.

And since Apple is here, please help adding support for Apple TV. Apple and Android TV support sometimes makes the difference when choosing an engine.

They already said they plan to do this in the PR.

Re: Native visionOS platform support

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Post by andsoitis »

dewey wrote: post #19
andsoitis wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even debating support for a niche platform is a distraction. Noise.

Niche platform from one of the biggest companies on the planet isn’t as niche as others though. If there’s a way to get first party support from the vendor directly it could be beneficial to the other platforms too (iOS).

> it could be beneficial to the other platforms too (iOS).

In what way?

As far as I know, iOS support on Godot is almost entirely community-driven. If true, Godot has nothing to gain. Apple is struggling with adoption so they have most to gain from Godot support for visionOS, but is not obvious that visionOS support would benefit Godot in any strategic manner.

One strategic heuristic is that you don’t want to undertake the work to enable another company’s success on a product line, unless you depend on it or believe you have a strategic advantage against other competitors.

For example, if Godot negotiates for exclusivity or primary status for game engine positioning on visionOS and they believe VR is a material future footprint, that might be interesting. Anything less is in Apple’s favor and not in Godot’s.

Re: Native visionOS platform support

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Post by ugh123 »

saagarjha wrote: post #7
waynecochran wrote: post #6

Are there any apps from this project available in the visionos App Store yet?

My guy it's not even merged yet

Godot is open source. I'm sure, at least internally, Apple has tested these changes on one or more 'demo' apps. Any of which could be released as public demos.

Re: Native visionOS platform support

#24

Post by mvkel »

fixprix wrote: post #18

Looks like Apple might be prioritizing gaming for the next gen Vision devices? Hopefully, as I know many, myself included that passed on the Vision because the gaming support wasn't there. Price was never an issue.

It would be strange if they went about it this way, as it gives the godot community some unprecedented control over apple's release schedule

Re: Native visionOS platform support

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Post by dkh »

joshuaturner wrote: post #13
wtallis wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The PR to add the basic infrastructure for engine-level support was posted yesterday . There hasn't been enough time for anything to pass through App Store review yet, let alone all the work that has to happen before that, like writing and releasing the rest of the engine support for visionOS, and writing an application to use it.

smh, game devs always with the excuses

where are the mythical 100x engineers when you need them most

Re: Native visionOS platform support

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Post by andsoitis »

Godot already supports VR via OpenXR.

OpenXR is the Khronos-maintained industry standard for VR/AR devices—supported by SteamVR, Oculus, Vive, Pico, Windows Mixed Reality, Quest.

Notably absent is visionOS / Vision Pro.

I would insist Apple conforms to the industry standard. More scalable, open.

Re: Native visionOS platform support

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Post by dewey »

andsoitis wrote: post #22
dewey wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Niche platform from one of the biggest companies on the planet isn’t as niche as others though. If there’s a way to get first party support from the vendor directly it could be beneficial to the other platforms too (iOS).

> it could be beneficial to the other platforms too (iOS). In what way? As far as I know, iOS support on Godot is almost entirely community-driven. If true, Godot has nothing to gain. Apple is struggling with adoption so they have most to gain from Godot support for visionOS, but is not obvious that visionOS support would benefit Godot in any strategic manner. One strategic heuristic is that you don’t want to underta…

I'll leave this decision to the Godot maintainers but as an outside that only read the PR and comments it seems plausible that it's also in Apples favor to fix issues in the shared iOS / visionOS codebase that they are using, especially if they might come from Apple APIs that could be improved on their side too.

Re: Native visionOS platform support

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Post by spencerflem »

andsoitis wrote: post #22
dewey wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Niche platform from one of the biggest companies on the planet isn’t as niche as others though. If there’s a way to get first party support from the vendor directly it could be beneficial to the other platforms too (iOS).

> it could be beneficial to the other platforms too (iOS). In what way? As far as I know, iOS support on Godot is almost entirely community-driven. If true, Godot has nothing to gain. Apple is struggling with adoption so they have most to gain from Godot support for visionOS, but is not obvious that visionOS support would benefit Godot in any strategic manner. One strategic heuristic is that you don’t want to underta…

exclusivity ?? its an open source project why would they want that, its not a competition :p

Re: Native visionOS platform support

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Post by andsoitis »

nopakos wrote: post #17
999900000999 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It looks like Apple put their own people on this one. If they want to maintain this, the Godot foundation needs to be extremely clear about that. You're talking about an extremely niche platform that will require tons of ongoing maintenance. I would have hoped Apple also spent time working on the general engine and maybe tackling some bugs. Maybe they did maybe they didn't.

And since Apple is here, please help adding support for Apple TV. Apple and Android TV support sometimes makes the difference when choosing an engine.

Apple TV for games is super niche, with very little market share in the big scheme of things.

Even when it comes to TV, Apple realized they had to create an Apple TV+ app for other platforms to extend the reach of their investment in shows/movies beyond their own hardware.

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