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America underestimates the difficulty of bringing manufacturing back

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Re: America underestimates the difficulty of bringing manufacturing back

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Our economy was designed to NOT have citizens work at factories. We pay thousands of dollars a year in our public schools to teach each of our citizens calculus, literature, world history, and physics, so that they DON'T have to work at a factory, or perform manual labor like picking strawberries or driving trucks or cleaning toilets. Why would anyone want to go back to an economy that can be run by a third worlders?…

Typical coastalist ivory tower thinking. No wonder we're in a pickle...

Re: America underestimates the difficulty of bringing manufacturing back

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Our economy was designed to NOT have citizens work at factories. We pay thousands of dollars a year in our public schools to teach each of our citizens calculus, literature, world history, and physics, so that they DON'T have to work at a factory, or perform manual labor like picking strawberries or driving trucks or cleaning toilets. Why would anyone want to go back to an economy that can be run by a third worlders?…

But aren't China's learning outcomes higher in calculus, physics, etc? Also the US is already the 2nd largest manufacturer in the world.

There's a lot more to our education than that. Additionally, our REAL competitive advantage are our universities. We have the best universities in the world, by far, and that's what drives our economy over all others as we create the most valuable intellectual property.

Re: America underestimates the difficulty of bringing manufacturing back

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Our economy was designed to NOT have citizens work at factories. We pay thousands of dollars a year in our public schools to teach each of our citizens calculus, literature, world history, and physics, so that they DON'T have to work at a factory, or perform manual labor like picking strawberries or driving trucks or cleaning toilets. Why would anyone want to go back to an economy that can be run by a third worlders?…

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Re: America underestimates the difficulty of bringing manufacturing back

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Our economy was designed to NOT have citizens work at factories. We pay thousands of dollars a year in our public schools to teach each of our citizens calculus, literature, world history, and physics, so that they DON'T have to work at a factory, or perform manual labor like picking strawberries or driving trucks or cleaning toilets. Why would anyone want to go back to an economy that can be run by a third worlders?…

Yet, 40% of our students can't read at a basic level.

Re: America underestimates the difficulty of bringing manufacturing back

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Well, sure, but perhaps some kind of plan is warranted?

Isn't the point of capitalism to not have a plan and let the market figure it out?

I'm sure that the capitalists would disagree in this instance.

Re: America underestimates the difficulty of bringing manufacturing back

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, sure, but perhaps some kind of plan is warranted?

Isn't the point of capitalism to not have a plan and let the market figure it out?

How are markets going to figure anything out with tariffs changing every day, depending on the mood of dear leader?

Re: America underestimates the difficulty of bringing manufacturing back

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No kidding! Beyond the obvious skilled labor there’s supply chain network, maintenance, townships and supporting system around them. And all of this needs human labor which is taken from somewhere else. How do you incentivize them? Just throwing money at the problem won’t solve it either. Because more often than not it’ll attract charlatans who will promise the sky, take the money and move away.

And do not forget NIMBY :)

Where I live it is close to impossible to even get a Dog House approved and built.

Re: America underestimates the difficulty of bringing manufacturing back

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Isn't the point of capitalism to not have a plan and let the market figure it out?

Capitalism as such went out the window with tariffs.

No, purely free markets (which weren't free to start off with) went out the window.

Re: America underestimates the difficulty of bringing manufacturing back

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Our economy was designed to NOT have citizens work at factories. We pay thousands of dollars a year in our public schools to teach each of our citizens calculus, literature, world history, and physics, so that they DON'T have to work at a factory, or perform manual labor like picking strawberries or driving trucks or cleaning toilets. Why would anyone want to go back to an economy that can be run by a third worlders?…

I think its more complicated than this. People don't want to work in factories per se, but what a world where labor has actual power. The big thing that offshoring did was strip the power of local labor to enforce certain reasonable conditions on employers and this allowed normal people to live stable, even comfortable lives.

Offshoring has produced a world where we can buy cheap trinkets but where many, many, americans live precariously, have little to no stability, and work more than one job to make ends meet. What Americans really want is more control over their lives and "bringing back manufacturing" is a sort of short-hand for that ideal.

I think bringing back some manufacturing may help, but in the end Americans need to learn that what they really want is more power to shape their lives and that they will need to wrest that power back from a system which has leaned ever more towards market control of the allocation of time, energy, and labor.

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