The clear usefulness appeared in the case of radioactive decay. We first learned about half-life, and clearly you can write the decay function as N(t) = N0 * 0.5^(at) with 1/a being the half-life. But we then learned that the decay values in the data book are often not the half-life but this special "k" that you put in a decay equation that has e as the: N(t) = N0 * e^(-kx). My reaction was: why did they pick e here? Why not just use 0.5 as base and the book would list the half-life? But then we got to the kicker: we learned the formula: Activity = -k*N, meaning that the activity (decays/time-unit) is proportional to the amount of material with k being the proportionality constant. We hadn't learned of differential equations yet and I was confused about what k was, having first seen it in the decay equation and now in the activity equation which were seemingly very different... how on earth could the same number work in both capacities. And I read a bit ahead in the math book and it all made sense. And then I understood it was because of e as the base that the constant k got this property - which it would only get in that particular base. So this showed to me how e was special, allowing the same constant to serve in these two capacities.
Stop using e for compound interest
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Re: Stop using e for compound interest
#22ln(x) (+ a constant) was defined as the integral of 1/x.
Then we proved than ln(x) was a logarithm to some base.
Then e was defined as the base of that function.
Nobody ever said anything about compoun interest.
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#23- It's elementary to the point that you can introduce it whenever you want.
- It automatically gives a sense of scale: larger than 2, but not by a lot.
- At least to me, it confers some sense of importance. You can get the sense that this number e has some deep connection to infinity and infinitesimal change and deserves further study even if you haven't seen calculus before.
- It directly suggests a way of calculating e, which "the base of the exponential function with derivative equal to itself" doesn't suggest as cleanly.
I don't know of any calculus course that relies on this definition for much: that's not its purpose. The goal is just to give students a fairly natural introduction to the constant before you show that e^x and ln x have their own unique properties that will be more useful for further manipulation.
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#24> None of these topics (calculus, complex analysis, and trigonometry) require prior knowledge about specifically, so why bring it up using compound interest? This seems like kind of a silly question. The reason is that e is usually introduced before you learn about calculus. You might learn about complex numbers before e, but not in any way that would make "e^i*pi = -1" understandable or even interesting. And you'll…
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#26> Because of this, banks have to publish the interest rate, compound interval, and annual percentage yield separately. No, the way a subject is trough in school is not the reason banks have to publish all those numbers. That a look at all the different ways accountant calculate compound interest, and you will see the reason. Anyway, when was the last time banks united to make some rule to make it easier for laypeople…
Regulation is the other reason. APR is required to be rate-per-period * period-per-year while also accounting for fees. But APY is rate-per-period compounded over a year. These have more to do with the grifts and bubbles that gave birth to the regulations. Again, it made sense at the time and now we’re kind of stuck with it. Not the best standard but better than no standard.
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#27Everybody knows the way we teach math is broken but everybody also knows the way we teach math must not be touched. Ever . The curriculum attained perfection in the 20th century and anyone who proposes changing it is at least an idiot and possibly a heretic. I don't entirely know how to square those two things either, but the evidence is pretty strong.
Don't forget that most people don't even have enough math background to understand why those who do want better teaching. Most of those people don't really need better math for their life, so it is hard to explain why their kids would be better off knowing something they don't need. Meanwhile there are less good jobs that can get by without the advance math that needs better teaching all the time.
Math is full of extremely useful concepts that aren’t otherwise obvious. To me, it’s less about “I’m going to need to use this equation” and more about “This is a pattern I will encounter throughout the world.”
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#28Is that really how the exponential function is introduced? The most common ones as far as I know are: - "The Classic": There exists a unique function equal to its own derivative up to a constant. - "I can't bothered with this": Have a series. It's obviously absolutely convergent. kthxbye. - "My name is Hardy, G.H. Hardy.": A unique function satisfies exp(x+y) = exp(x)exp(y).