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US President endorses bill to lock the clocks in current Daylight Savings Time

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Re: US President endorses bill to lock the clocks in current Daylight Savings Time

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Post by floxy »

School-Cotton wrote: post #16
mindcrime wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of people don't have the freedom to live their lives by scheduling around when the sun is up. Very large swathes of the population are tied to jobs with strict hours that they are required to be physically present somewhere (or at least online) and don't have a lot of room to flex from that. That limits their ability to take advantage of the longer summertime days by just "get up earlier" or "just leave work ea…

Okay, but won’t whatever cultural forces caused your job to be 9-5 (or whatever) under standard time eventually cause it to drift to 10-6 under +1 offset time, and then you haven’t gained anything? At that point will we offset by another hour, and so on ad infinitum? I sometimes feel like arguments advocating for permanent DST think there’s something magical about the numbers “9” and “5” that made the 9-5 workday the…

I'm curious what factors might cause the job start time to drift? Isn't this a coordination problem? You want all of you employees to start at the same time, so the assembly line can keep operating. All the kids start school at the same time, so they can all be instructed at the same time.

Re: US President endorses bill to lock the clocks in current Daylight Savings Time

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Post by kbolino »

School-Cotton wrote: post #19
nubinetwork wrote: post #17

Lousy farmers... /s

I’m pretty sure the idea that DST is for farmers is just a legend. Farmers can wake up whenever they need to based on where the sun is; it shouldn’t matter to them at all what the civil time is.

Farmers don't work in perfect isolation and do have to interact with other economic sectors that keep to clock hours. However, I don't think the misalignment between civil time and solar time has ever been so severe (nor would it be under year-round DST) to pose a serious problem for them.

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Post by SoftTalker »

mjevans wrote: post #18
SoftTalker wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I prefer longer daylight in the evenings. Dark mornings don't bother me.

So you like summer more than winter. (Longer evenings could be had if jobs let out earlier in the day, or even better, gave employees the option to shift their time.)

Yes, but even in winter when we move back to standard time it's dark at 4 in the afternoon. I'd rather stay with DST year round.

A lot of jobs already offer time shifting where it's feasible. In many jobs it's not.

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Post by atmavatar »

null_name wrote: post #20
mjevans wrote: post #13

For northern states it almost doesn't matter, the latitude completely dominates the length of the day. However I am irked at 'noon' being so far from solar noon year round, that's about the only solid reason to go back to 'standard' time so that at least in the median of timezones that time is approximately the same. Southern states? Just let people work 8-4 instead of 9-5. This problem is entirely manufactured by tr…

I'm irked in general by the lack of attention given to solar time. If I ever get into Android hacking, it'll be so I can replace the system statusbar clock with a solar one. I made a CLI utility that prints percent through the solar day/night that people might find useful: https://github.com/riley-martine/sundial

I'm somewhat puzzled why so much attention is given to solar time. Why is it so important to have 12:00 be noon and match the time of day the sun is at its peak?

I'd much rather use UTC everywhere and eliminate daylight saving time. Because I'm currently UTC-5, it means the average workday would be 13:00 to 22:00, and noon becomes 17:00, but that seems no less arbitrary than 08:00 to 17:00 and 12:00, respectively.

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Post by exabrial »

School-Cotton wrote: post #5
exabrial wrote: post #2

I'm the odd person out, I actually don't mind it. Yeah it's inconvenient for about a few days, but I prefer being awake during the sunlight of the winter.

Why not just wake up an hour earlier, then?

other commenters nailed it: my job doesn't change its hours

Re: US President endorses bill to lock the clocks in current Daylight Savings Time

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Post by School-Cotton »

exabrial wrote: post #26
School-Cotton wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not just wake up an hour earlier, then?

other commenters nailed it: my job doesn't change its hours

Why do you think your job has the hours it does?

Re: US President endorses bill to lock the clocks in current Daylight Savings Time

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Post by recursivedoubts »

mjevans wrote: post #13

For northern states it almost doesn't matter, the latitude completely dominates the length of the day. However I am irked at 'noon' being so far from solar noon year round, that's about the only solid reason to go back to 'standard' time so that at least in the median of timezones that time is approximately the same. Southern states? Just let people work 8-4 instead of 9-5. This problem is entirely manufactured by tr…

I live in Montana and would very much prefer to keep DST permanent because it means that I come home from work with light. Currently in deep winter when we are on standard time I get up and it's dark and go home and it's dark.

Light at the end of the day is useful to me because I can go for a walk around dinner, I don't care so much about it being light in the mornings when I'm getting ready for my day.

So I think making DST permanent for northern states would be a good thing.

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