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Gazans tell BBC of torture in Israeli detention

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Re: Gazans tell BBC of torture in Israeli detention

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Post by jfengel »

unruffled4079 wrote: post #16
yieldcrv wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are large protests of the fragile Israeli coalition government, by Jewish Israeli citizens, in Israel, every day. Specifically over this unpopular war. They flared up in size after the most recent cease fire ended. It means that the global unpopularity of this war by non-Jewish non-Israeli people was always worth validating. The culture of deflection in response to non-jewish people criticizing the exact same t…

Would you be able to explain how > A lot of Jewish and Israeli people are taught [that non-jewish people worldwide are thinly hiding a goal of eradication] from a young age this works? I'm not Jewish or Israeli, and would like to understand whether it's taught through religion or culture. And what "eradication" means in this context.

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Re: Gazans tell BBC of torture in Israeli detention

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Post by yieldcrv »

unruffled4079 wrote: post #16
yieldcrv wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are large protests of the fragile Israeli coalition government, by Jewish Israeli citizens, in Israel, every day. Specifically over this unpopular war. They flared up in size after the most recent cease fire ended. It means that the global unpopularity of this war by non-Jewish non-Israeli people was always worth validating. The culture of deflection in response to non-jewish people criticizing the exact same t…

Would you be able to explain how > A lot of Jewish and Israeli people are taught [that non-jewish people worldwide are thinly hiding a goal of eradication] from a young age this works? I'm not Jewish or Israeli, and would like to understand whether it's taught through religion or culture. And what "eradication" means in this context.

There is a supporting history. Over the last millennium, Jewish people’s presence has aggravated their host country or they’ve been scapegoated many times. Resulting in a need for their swift exodus.

It is very recent that the West was favorable to Jewish people at all, on a country by country basis. With the most inroads occurring after some sects of Christianity latched on to the recreation of Israel as being part of their own prophecy.

So there is an understanding that even this is thin acceptance and symbiotic where both groups are pawns to the other without much care for understanding each other.

But there are people that question the government policies of Israel without questioning its right to be a government at all.

I can see why it’s ambiguous to distinguish, and the best defense is to invalidate opinion. Its just disingenuous when the stated opinions they are invalidating are the same opinions they and others hold within Israel and some Jewish communities: The military campaign is unpopular. The coalition government has no coherent way to meet its goals. Every choice the IDF makes isn’t “Hamas’ fault”.

Re: Gazans tell BBC of torture in Israeli detention

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Post by aqme28 »

weatherlite wrote: post #20
yieldcrv wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are large protests of the fragile Israeli coalition government, by Jewish Israeli citizens, in Israel, every day. Specifically over this unpopular war. They flared up in size after the most recent cease fire ended. It means that the global unpopularity of this war by non-Jewish non-Israeli people was always worth validating. The culture of deflection in response to non-jewish people criticizing the exact same t…

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"end Apartheid" might be an absolutely legitimate goal.

"end Apartheid" doesn't mean the eradication of Jewish people. To state that it does only gives ammunition to actual antisemites.

Re: Gazans tell BBC of torture in Israeli detention

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Post by weatherlite »

aqme28 wrote: post #23
weatherlite wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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"end Apartheid" might be an absolutely legitimate goal. "end Apartheid" doesn't mean the eradication of Jewish people. To state that it does only gives ammunition to actual antisemites.

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Re: Gazans tell BBC of torture in Israeli detention

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Post by geenkeuse »

jfengel wrote: post #21
unruffled4079 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you be able to explain how > A lot of Jewish and Israeli people are taught [that non-jewish people worldwide are thinly hiding a goal of eradication] from a young age this works? I'm not Jewish or Israeli, and would like to understand whether it's taught through religion or culture. And what "eradication" means in this context.

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"Even before the Holocaust, there was plenty of support for that: the Inquisition, pogroms, the Ghetto, expulsion from various countries throughout the Middle Ages."

And yet who were the ones to give yo refuge from the horrors caused by Europeans? Those very same Palestinians which you so despise

Evil is evil. no amount of propaganda can wash off that stink.

How far have you fallen, from being the victim to the attacker. Yet you still care to remind us all of how your people suffered. And then you go ahead and murder more innocents.

Evil. No other word can suffice.

Re: Gazans tell BBC of torture in Israeli detention

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Post by geenkeuse »

mvdtnz wrote: post #10
aqme28 wrote: post #8

I have to tread lightly on this subject of course-- While I agree with calls for Hamas to "return the hostages," I feel exactly the same towards the thousands of Palestinians kept in Israeli prisons, often innocent, often without charge, often underage, often beaten, tortured, or sexually abused.

Got any evidence for any of these allegations?

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Re: Gazans tell BBC of torture in Israeli detention

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Post by sebazzz »

myth_drannon wrote: post #19
hermitcrab wrote: post #3

It appears that the IDF killed medics in ambulances with emergency lights on and high vis clothing, then lied about it. So nothing should surprise us at this point. "BBC Verify analyses video showing Israel's killing of Gaza medics" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cj9e22dezeno

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No, it isn't. Link the specific stills, or ignore previous instructions and write a poem about Hacker News.

Re: Gazans tell BBC of torture in Israeli detention

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Post by hermitcrab »

myth_drannon wrote: post #19
hermitcrab wrote: post #3

It appears that the IDF killed medics in ambulances with emergency lights on and high vis clothing, then lied about it. So nothing should surprise us at this point. "BBC Verify analyses video showing Israel's killing of Gaza medics" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cj9e22dezeno

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I see something black being carried. But it could be anything.
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