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Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by jkkramer »

Roritharr wrote: post #9

What Kagi or anyone could work on, is an actually working version of YouTube Kids. I literally Pi-Hole Blocked all of YouTube after my son started reading the Bible after a Minecraft Influencer started preaching throughout most of his videos to the point my son became a bit too much interested in the topic. Not that I'm a rabid atheist or would deny my child such a thing, but if THAT can enter my 8yr olds brain via h…

As a fellow parent and hater of YouTube Kids, I've thought about building a replacement.

What holds me back is knowing that -- if this was an iPad app, for example -- I'd be at the mercy of both Google AND Apple. It's a minefield of sensitive topics:

- Kids & privacy

- Content moderation

- Intellectual property

- Third-party UGC

Way too risky.

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by doublerabbit »

ziddoap wrote: post #12
ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #8

Ok this is excellent. If I can trust Kagi for kids, I would pay through the nose for this. The internet is wildly useful but it's just filled with so much trash and thanks to google going horribly terribly south, search doesn't work anymore. Which means kids are no longer able to actually have the joy of surfing the web and finding very interesting things to read. So the main question that I have is, is there a guara…

> So the main question that I have is, is there a guarantee that bad sites will not show up here? Given that everyone has different definitions of "bad" and that someone malicious can put bad stuff on "good" sites, no.

> Given that everyone has different definitions of "bad" and that someone malicious can put bad stuff on "good" sites, no.

Kagi allowing you to assign what is good and bad makes your argument void.

> So the main question that I have is, is there a guarantee that bad sites will not show up here?

You shouldn't rely on the company alone. While it may be what Kagi is aiming for but they can only do so much.

If you're concerned for your kids you too should always double check if the content is good/bad regularly.

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by ziddoap »

doublerabbit wrote: post #23
ziddoap wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So the main question that I have is, is there a guarantee that bad sites will not show up here? Given that everyone has different definitions of "bad" and that someone malicious can put bad stuff on "good" sites, no.

> Given that everyone has different definitions of "bad" and that someone malicious can put bad stuff on "good" sites, no. Kagi allowing you to assign what is good and bad makes your argument void. > So the main question that I have is, is there a guarantee that bad sites will not show up here? You shouldn't rely on the company alone. While it may be what Kagi is aiming for but they can only do so much. If you're con…

>"That's what Kagi is aiming for but they can only do so much."

Not sure why my argument is void, but you restating my exact point with different words is valid?

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by jmathai »

Roritharr wrote: post #9

What Kagi or anyone could work on, is an actually working version of YouTube Kids. I literally Pi-Hole Blocked all of YouTube after my son started reading the Bible after a Minecraft Influencer started preaching throughout most of his videos to the point my son became a bit too much interested in the topic. Not that I'm a rabid atheist or would deny my child such a thing, but if THAT can enter my 8yr olds brain via h…

I found that most of the content on YouTube kids existed as a means to advertise products. I don't necessarily care to understand the economics of it because it just doesn't provide enough value to bother.

What I do understand is that I don't want my kids being tricked into watching ads because something about watching adults open toys is entertaining.

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by dcchambers »

Disclaimer: I am a happy paid Kagi subscriber and absolutely am an advocate of their product. I really hope the company makes it work financially because we NEED something like it.

I have two young kids of my own (4, almost 2) and have so far been able to avoid the issues of letting them free roam on the net, but it's obviously something that's coming. This was not something I ever paid attention to in my youth but now as a parent the open internet completely terrifies me. And I say that as a core millennial that basically grew up with the internet.

The current status quo of "kids friendly" content (eg YouTube Kids) is mostly awful. I would still never let my young kids browse something like that without supervision.

I am appreciative that Kagi knows this is an issue and is investing into the area.

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by jmathai »

Kagi seems like a cool company - I'm not a customer yet. I'd like there to be technology companies I can trust - perhaps like Kagi.

I have been really happy with NextDNS though. My kids, not so much. But hey ... that's parenting.

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by aNapierkowski »

MostlyStable wrote: post #18
Roritharr wrote: post #9

What Kagi or anyone could work on, is an actually working version of YouTube Kids. I literally Pi-Hole Blocked all of YouTube after my son started reading the Bible after a Minecraft Influencer started preaching throughout most of his videos to the point my son became a bit too much interested in the topic. Not that I'm a rabid atheist or would deny my child such a thing, but if THAT can enter my 8yr olds brain via h…

I had a lot of frustrations with the Youtube Kids app until I realized that if, when setting it up, rather than choosing the appropriate age range, you picked the "custom" (or whatever it was, it was annoyingly hidden all the way to the right, so you can't even see it at first), you are able to white list channels and videos, rather than just blacklist. Why this feature is hidden behind a different age selector rathe…

wait is this real? this is a thing ive been wanting, some channels that are fine are not in ytkids and some of the stuff in ytkids is just junk if we could curate a whitelist that would be perfect

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by mvieira38 »

skydhash wrote: post #17
mvieira38 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

May I ask how are you dealing with the hole Youtube left in his life? I grew up on the internet, but seeing the effects it had on me and the world I don't want the same for my kids. The problem is I don't even know what to do in my own free time if not browsing Youtube or playing games, imagine a kid.

My advice would be hobbies. Learning and practicing stuff can take a lot of your free time if you’re passionate about it, meaning you give it your full attention.

Maybe I'm weird, but hobbies just feel like work anyways, except maybe reading. Learning Japanese just doesn't have the same feedback loop as grinding Dota or something... Alas, how would I tackle this issue with a kid? Maybe just throw a bunch of activities at him and see what sticks as a hobby?

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by doublerabbit »

ziddoap wrote: post #24
doublerabbit wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Given that everyone has different definitions of "bad" and that someone malicious can put bad stuff on "good" sites, no. Kagi allowing you to assign what is good and bad makes your argument void. > So the main question that I have is, is there a guarantee that bad sites will not show up here? You shouldn't rely on the company alone. While it may be what Kagi is aiming for but they can only do so much. If you're con…

> "That's what Kagi is aiming for but they can only do so much." Not sure why my argument is void, but you restating my exact point with different words is valid?

Are you expecting a company to manage it completely without human intervention, yourself without verifying the results?

If so, you then got to expect what Kagi decides what is bad and what is good and accept that's it.

It could be bias it could be not. I like to think they know but I personally would never put all my eggs in one basket.

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