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Blue95: a desktop for your childhood home's computer room

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Re: Blue95: a desktop for your childhood home's computer room

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Does this project offer anything besides Chicago95's UI pre-installed?

would be nice if it would have wine installed so it can run most windows apps for where there is no good linux alternative. xyplorer, sumatra, irfanview

perhaps a shell where root is mapped to C:\

Re: Blue95: a desktop for your childhood home's computer room

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It needs the BSOD screensaver from XScreensaver, for sure. And, maybe, DOSBox-X or DOSEmu2. Also: - Pan - Sylpheed - Audacious with the WinAMP theme - Hexchat kinda has a MIRC vibe - Parole looks like WMP from - You can't simulate a dialer, but with trickle you can mimic a 56k/ISDN connection pretty well - SyncTERM for BBS's - ScummVM, with just a bilinear filter, because I played tons of adventures - There's an SDL2…

Trillian > Pidgin. What's Pan?

Re: Blue95: a desktop for your childhood home's computer room

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fake 3d is actually very useful in communicating what is a button or another interactive piece of the interface and what's not. The modern clean uis where everything is a thin rectangle or just text that you are supposed to click are a nightmare.

Old screen caps of UIs with depth feel so relaxing to look at, and I don’t think it’s just a nostalgia effect. It’s like there’s always just a little extra brain power and attention being used by modern flat UIs, and you get to shut that off when you look at a depth-enhanced UI.

The most important part is that controls are consistent across applications. In that regard, tools and libraries that implement some look and feel rather than deferring it to the underlying environment are a disservice to users.

Windows, for instance, has dozens of ways to do that, and you can find parts of Windows that use an archeological version of the controls. Nobody, it seems, bothered to reimplement the older APIs on top of the new ones.

Re: Blue95: a desktop for your childhood home's computer room

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post #3

How cute… imagine my childhood home would have a computer with a graphical desktop… I feel so old now…

Yeah as far as GUIs go, Win95 isn't in the "nostalgia" category for me, I was already well into adulthood. I kind of get the appeal, but it's also unnecessarily skeumorphic/fake-3d and there were some UX things that made little sense especially lumping all the window controls all together (including the destructive "close" X) where MacOS smartly separated them.

Though Apple has forgotten or ignored this in products like the Apple tv where restart and factory reset are right next to each other.

Re: Blue95: a desktop for your childhood home's computer room

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post #18
post #5

This looks nice and easy to use. My hypothesis is today's "modern" OS user interfaces are objectively worse from a usability perspective, obfuscating key functionality behind layers of confusing menus. It reminds me of these "OS popularity since the 70s" time lapse views: https://youtube.com/watch?v=cTKhqtll5cQ The dominance of Windows is crazy, even today, Mac desktops and laptops are comparatively niche

Microsoft Windows programs hid functionality under layers of menus and the registry. MacOS, at least, surfaces much less functionality, because it offers sensible defaults. I never had to do anything akin to fiddling with the Windows Registry. I did like some Windows things, though, like the ribbon, and reconfigurable UIs. Today's UIs are more immutable, for the worse.

MacOS is pretty cursed. The equivalent to registry fiddling is doing anything in ~/Library/Application Support

It still has "Services" as a hold over from Next that is completely broken and unused (but still present in every app for some reason). Now you also have the joy of diving deep into the Settings every time an app needs some sort of permission.

I'd say something about .DS_Store files, but that's not really UI.

Re: Blue95: a desktop for your childhood home's computer room

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah as far as GUIs go, Win95 isn't in the "nostalgia" category for me, I was already well into adulthood. I kind of get the appeal, but it's also unnecessarily skeumorphic/fake-3d and there were some UX things that made little sense especially lumping all the window controls all together (including the destructive "close" X) where MacOS smartly separated them.

> where MacOS smartly separated them. Interesting that modern macOS now have them next to each other, like Windows. You'd be hard pressed to call the Window 95 UI pretty, but it is really functional. I'm still a firm believe that the majority of the work we do with computers today could be done within the Windows 95 shell. We need 64bit, more memory, faster CPUs, GPUs all that, but the modern UI aren't really "better…

> You'd be hard pressed to call the Window 95 UI pretty, but it is really functional.

Ironically, the Windows 95 look seems a lot like a copy of the NeXT look, which is the OS all modern Macs are kind of running.

Re: Blue95: a desktop for your childhood home's computer room

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post #18
post #5

This looks nice and easy to use. My hypothesis is today's "modern" OS user interfaces are objectively worse from a usability perspective, obfuscating key functionality behind layers of confusing menus. It reminds me of these "OS popularity since the 70s" time lapse views: https://youtube.com/watch?v=cTKhqtll5cQ The dominance of Windows is crazy, even today, Mac desktops and laptops are comparatively niche

Microsoft Windows programs hid functionality under layers of menus and the registry. MacOS, at least, surfaces much less functionality, because it offers sensible defaults. I never had to do anything akin to fiddling with the Windows Registry. I did like some Windows things, though, like the ribbon, and reconfigurable UIs. Today's UIs are more immutable, for the worse.

There is an entire ecosystem of free and paid Mac apps meant to augment the Mac experience because MacOS does not provide functionality or configuration needed for a sensible computing experience out of the box.

Re: Blue95: a desktop for your childhood home's computer room

#28
post #7

It needs the BSOD screensaver from XScreensaver, for sure. And, maybe, DOSBox-X or DOSEmu2. Also: - Pan - Sylpheed - Audacious with the WinAMP theme - Hexchat kinda has a MIRC vibe - Parole looks like WMP from - You can't simulate a dialer, but with trickle you can mimic a 56k/ISDN connection pretty well - SyncTERM for BBS's - ScummVM, with just a bilinear filter, because I played tons of adventures - There's an SDL2…

Emoticons! I completely forgot about that term.

Re: Blue95: a desktop for your childhood home's computer room

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post #18
post #5

This looks nice and easy to use. My hypothesis is today's "modern" OS user interfaces are objectively worse from a usability perspective, obfuscating key functionality behind layers of confusing menus. It reminds me of these "OS popularity since the 70s" time lapse views: https://youtube.com/watch?v=cTKhqtll5cQ The dominance of Windows is crazy, even today, Mac desktops and laptops are comparatively niche

Microsoft Windows programs hid functionality under layers of menus and the registry. MacOS, at least, surfaces much less functionality, because it offers sensible defaults. I never had to do anything akin to fiddling with the Windows Registry. I did like some Windows things, though, like the ribbon, and reconfigurable UIs. Today's UIs are more immutable, for the worse.

I'd agree macOS surfaces much less functionality but I feel like it's more "because they don't want you to feel like there is a choice to make in the first place" rather than "because the defaults are ideal for everyone". Over time it feels like "layers of menus" have definitely made their way into Apple's software anyways.

The replacement to the registry seems to half be "magic CLI incantations for settings which can't be found in the GUI for some reason" and half "here's a $4.99 app to 3 finger tap to close tabs".

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