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Re: Wikipedia Redefined

#21

The front page of Wikipedia works remarkably well for discovery - go to en.wikipedia.org on any given day, and you are guaranteed to learn something new. Deciding that users want to see your overbearing minimalism and your 'sound-great-in-concept-meetings-but-shit-on-paper' designs instead of you know, actual information on the front page of an encyclopaedia strikes me as an astonishing act of hubris. The one piece o…

Google indexes wikipedia so I haven't seen the front page in years.

Re: Wikipedia Redefined

#22
post #4

This is awesome. I'm not on board with everything (as someone else pointed out, the navigation is huge and overshadows the content), but it does a good job of rethinking how users interact with Wikipedia by making it easier to use for research. Unfortunately, I can't see anything like this ever happening due to inertia and the direct democracy system that Wikipedia generally employs when making changes.

If they made a mediawiki theme that could easily be applied or made an option, they might actually have a chance. << I don't think they did that though.

Agreed. I think the people who put this page together didn't realize that you can already customize the theme of Wikipedia. For example, here is the custom CSS theme I use to surf wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gee_totes/modern.css

(it's not very custom, more of a PoC)

Re: Wikipedia Redefined

#23
post #2

Too much space is taken up by navigation in this scheme. There's a reason Wikipedia's design is dominated by text.

That's just the sort of element change that looks distinctive, and makes a redesign appear appealing, but almost certainly tests horribly under actual use.

As another response notes, G+ is absolutely horrible at its content-to-navigation space allocation. The more so as most of the navigation elements are styled as "fixed", and won't move.

I pretty much always view the site with an editor open to pick off the most annoying of these features. I'm working on a Stylish script.

Re: Wikipedia Redefined

#25
The sub section branding with the small w and the large first letter looks really awkward. Wiktionary is represented by a wT, but having a T represent a dictionary makes no sense, and there is a similar problem with wikiversity. They also tried clarifying the Species and Source by adding more letters on the latter which is isn't very visually appealing and shows the limitations of this scheme.

I also think that they add too much focus on the site wide navigation stuff at the top, which takes away the focus on the data.

Re: Wikipedia Redefined

#26

The front page of Wikipedia works remarkably well for discovery - go to en.wikipedia.org on any given day, and you are guaranteed to learn something new. Deciding that users want to see your overbearing minimalism and your 'sound-great-in-concept-meetings-but-shit-on-paper' designs instead of you know, actual information on the front page of an encyclopaedia strikes me as an astonishing act of hubris. The one piece o…

Google indexes wikipedia so I haven't seen the front page in years.

That's not a good reason for demolishing its UX.

Re: Wikipedia Redefined

#27
You'd probably want any redesign of Wikipedia to start with the understanding that the front page of the English Wikipedia isn't WWW.WIKIPEDIA.ORG, it's EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG, and that that page is dominated by content --- most notably the WP Featured Articles, which are a core part of the Wikipedia community.

Draw the pretty colored lines after you grok the concept.

It goes downhill for me as they try to get more technical, redefining the way the encyclopedia is edited and organized. Drag and drop reformatting of article layouts? Really? Don't the best Wikipedia articles tend to be conformant to template layouts?

Wikipedia is not Digg. It does not have, as its primary goal, the delight of random web users. They are doing something bigger than that.

I'm also not a fan of the branding idea. First, they've confused Wikipedia with The Wikimedia Foundation. The two aren't the same thing. The branding they propose makes sense only for the latter. Second, they're trying to do that organic living logo thing that has become ultra-trendy lately (just read Brand New Blog to see it done well); "as Wikimedia evolves, the little lines in the logo will change". Well, maybe, but the relationship between Wikimedia top-level properties doesn't change all that regularly, nor does it meaningfully change depending on the context. Nor does the aggregate set of lines between properties draw an appealing or meaningful picture.

Also the capital "I" in the font they're using is killing me.

Re: Wikipedia Redefined

#28

Does anyone else find the font used on that page really distracting? What's with the I looking like a J?

I was going to say the same thing. The font is FF Schulbuch Süd Web Pro, and it looks like this: http://imgur.com/Uvft4 . I can't fathom why it's designed like that. (Link to FontShop: http://www.fontshop.com/fonts/singles/fontfont/ff_schulbuch_... )

This is how I was taught cursive writing in school:

http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:La-ges.jpg

I am German (as is the name of the font) and I could read the article without being distracted.

Re: Wikipedia Redefined

#29
Typical "creative agency" - not proofing their own copy. I've seen this kind of thing so many times, and it baffles me that it's allowed to slip through to production sites.
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