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If people these days were human—rather than erect animals—they’d boycott companies like this into bankruptcy. The eternal consoomer just lies down and takes it.
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Madison Square Garden's surveillance banned this fan over his T-shirt design
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#22It's not surprising as James Dolan is a pretty notorious asshole.
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Did you read the article? It clearly states what Mikyl Cordova wrote lol.
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> This is not a 1st amendment issue. It absolutely is. Freedom of speech means free speakers. If you're going to face petty punishments for the rest of your days because your criticized the "wrong" people then you are not a free speaker. If you're serious about a free society that means you have to cop criticism, disrespect, and even mockery, most especially and particularly if you're in a position of power.
The 1A protects citizens from the government. Presently the government is being systematically dismantled from the inside. Madison Square Garden and its investors have the freedom to bar anyone they see fit on their own property. Their portfolios are only getting larger. That’s late stage capitalism.
If there's no government for the 1st Amendment to protect from, then there's no 1st Amendment.
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The 1A protects citizens from the government. Presently the government is being systematically dismantled from the inside. Madison Square Garden and its investors have the freedom to bar anyone they see fit on their own property. Their portfolios are only getting larger. That’s late stage capitalism.
It can be both. The intent of 1A is to protect the freedom of speech from those in power. The fact that non-government entities now wield the power to suppress speech doesn't change the fact that this is an infringement of free speech.
> The intent of 1A is to protect the freedom of speech from those in power.
The entire First Amendment is one sentence:
> Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Nowhere in there does it say anything about "those in power" in a way that it could possibly apply to a private party.
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This is not a 1st amendment issue. This is a late stage capitalism issue where too much power has been consolidated into the hands of too few, and so much as a single comment made publicly can blacklist you from participating in any cultural event for the rest of your life. Think of how many radio stations, venues, internet channels etc have been bought up by megacorp. We have all the bad parts of a Gibson cyberpunk…
it's a 1st ammendment issue in the sense in which the entire constitutional apparatus is falling appart because citizen-president Trump is a power bully but this was bound to happen. as we transition from orality to literacy to digital-literacy and beyond consider why the laws are written down. consider the way language became computer languages. and then realize that what was written down must now grapple with the n…
First amendment is protection from the government, not by the government. It wasn't the government that blocked the speech so it wasn't a first amendment issue
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This is not a 1st amendment issue. This is a late stage capitalism issue where too much power has been consolidated into the hands of too few, and so much as a single comment made publicly can blacklist you from participating in any cultural event for the rest of your life. Think of how many radio stations, venues, internet channels etc have been bought up by megacorp. We have all the bad parts of a Gibson cyberpunk…
it's a 1st ammendment issue in the sense in which the entire constitutional apparatus is falling appart because citizen-president Trump is a power bully but this was bound to happen. as we transition from orality to literacy to digital-literacy and beyond consider why the laws are written down. consider the way language became computer languages. and then realize that what was written down must now grapple with the n…
A private company restricting speech is a freedom of speech issue in the general sense, but most certainly not a First Amendment issue.
Of course that doesn’t mean that it’s a good thing to happen, or that there should not be any laws preventing it.
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it's a 1st ammendment issue in the sense in which the entire constitutional apparatus is falling appart because citizen-president Trump is a power bully but this was bound to happen. as we transition from orality to literacy to digital-literacy and beyond consider why the laws are written down. consider the way language became computer languages. and then realize that what was written down must now grapple with the n…
First amendment is protection from the government, not by the government. It wasn't the government that blocked the speech so it wasn't a first amendment issue
It is protection by the state. It is how the state is constituted. It's what the state means and offers. It's what the state is for and what, in principle, the state does.
If the state doesn't in fact do these things then you have a different state and the constitution is just a piece of paper.
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The 1A protects citizens from the government. Presently the government is being systematically dismantled from the inside. Madison Square Garden and its investors have the freedom to bar anyone they see fit on their own property. Their portfolios are only getting larger. That’s late stage capitalism.
It can be both. The intent of 1A is to protect the freedom of speech from those in power. The fact that non-government entities now wield the power to suppress speech doesn't change the fact that this is an infringement of free speech.
That’s not the interpretation of pretty much any court in the history of the United States.
In fact, the opposite is true: The government forcing private individuals or companies to tolerate speech on their premises or carry it in their media is considered compelled speech and as such a First Amendment violation itself.
Whether that’s still the best way of doing things is a different question, but that’s what the First Amendment is/does.
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#30If somebody did that to my kid, I wouldn’t be enjoying any shows there, ever. Absolute cattle.
They seem to get away with it. The fact the did it to a lawyer preciously. If they had to pay millions in damages for this nonsense, this would stop.
The fact that the “security” team is going through online images to feed into there facial recognition banning software is kind of weird and creepy.
I look forward to continuing to not going to MSG and company, as they are far far away from me.