I find this generally a narrative that is easy to buy into but I wonder how many will actually make the jump. I’m unsure about salaries in Canada but I’ve heard some American academics talking about moving to Europe to find academic jobs there. i think the salary would kill the idea for most americans who would want to move. according to this chart: https://oira.unc.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/297/2024/05/Fa... the…
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#22I find this generally a narrative that is easy to buy into but I wonder how many will actually make the jump. I’m unsure about salaries in Canada but I’ve heard some American academics talking about moving to Europe to find academic jobs there. i think the salary would kill the idea for most americans who would want to move. according to this chart: https://oira.unc.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/297/2024/05/Fa... the…
Mind, salaries often tend to be indexed to the local cost of living. So you could have a pretty decent standard of living even if your nominal salary is a bit lower.
Canada (in my case, specifically UBC) has piss low grad student stipends, even relative to local CoL. I was making full time minimum wage as an undergrad researcher, and my PI told me that he was still paying me more than his PhD students (2500/mo for me vs. 2000/mo). I dunno how someone could live in Vancouver on that salary without savings or additional scholarships
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#23One of Germany's biggest mistakes in WWII was pushing out scientists / intellectuals and I fear the US is headed down the same road. Between anti-intellectualism in general, political censorship, and the new Gestapo rounding up student immigrants there's less and less reason for smart people to come to the US or stay and put up with it.
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
Having you been paying attention to the news? People are being disappeared today for exercising their free speech.
I'm not saying I personally agree with the statement, but to be chartiable there is definitely a non-zero amount of commenters here who believe that the US is the only "real" democracy in the world.
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#25I find this generally a narrative that is easy to buy into but I wonder how many will actually make the jump. I’m unsure about salaries in Canada but I’ve heard some American academics talking about moving to Europe to find academic jobs there. i think the salary would kill the idea for most americans who would want to move. according to this chart: https://oira.unc.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/297/2024/05/Fa... the…
Simple: raise academic salaries in Europe and seize the opportunity to drain the brains of the US to Europe.
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#26I find this generally a narrative that is easy to buy into but I wonder how many will actually make the jump. I’m unsure about salaries in Canada but I’ve heard some American academics talking about moving to Europe to find academic jobs there. i think the salary would kill the idea for most americans who would want to move. according to this chart: https://oira.unc.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/297/2024/05/Fa... the…
That might be true, but also consider this. These people are watching their peers, as well as their students being persecuted and in some cases removed from campus. A lower salary (if applicable) is more appealing than no salary, or in some cases being harassed by the current administration.
EDIT: Salaries also do not equate to quality of living. While Canada might not be the best example with housing prices being as high as they are, they do have other benefits, such as the average American paying more for wealth care. And in the case of the EU, there's other things to consider, such as their cities vs American cities (walkable vs drivable), individuals might also be interested in experiencing foreign countries with long history, unique cultures, etc... especially considering these are academic people.
There's all sorts of reasons one could take a lower salary for that occurs to me, and I'm sure many more that don't. Of course more money IS always welcome.
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#27One of Germany's biggest mistakes in WWII was pushing out scientists / intellectuals and I fear the US is headed down the same road. Between anti-intellectualism in general, political censorship, and the new Gestapo rounding up student immigrants there's less and less reason for smart people to come to the US or stay and put up with it.
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Never heard of the guy. Why do you dislike him so much?
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#28Given the choice, I would move also. No reason for any of the US top intellectuals to stay here. I am not a prof, I had a similar opportunity 40 years ago, but it was a different time back then. Now, I would have jumped.
> No reason for any of the US top intellectuals to stay here. Depending on who you ask, the US is still the only country to have freedom of speech and the right to bear arms against a tyrannical government, which might be appealing for some of the top intellectuals (mostly Y Combinator founders, I think?)
I guess hey better start getting those arms out then.
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Were they supplied arms by the USA or USSR?
I don't know. It does turn out that one can find guns if one needs them, legally or not, and revolution doesn't require a Constitutionally mandated right to keep and bear arms. Not that a tyrannical government would respect such a right anyway, unless they had the gun owners on their side. The only things guaranteed by the Second Amendment are a market for guns and some irreducible amount of societal gun violence. Ev…
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
Having you been paying attention to the news? People are being disappeared today for exercising their free speech.
I'm not saying I personally agree with the statement, but to be chartiable there is definitely a non-zero amount of commenters here who believe that the US is the only "real" democracy in the world.
A non-zero amount of delusional people believing something ridiculous doesn't make it true.