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In Jail Without a Lawyer: How a Texas Town Fails Poor Defendants

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"Two men were released after The Times asked about them, half a year after their sentences had been completed." Horrific. This egregious human rights violation is something you'd think you read about in a developing nation, not a developed nation.

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As someone who was born in the country that led the third world, don't use us as comparison for stuff like that.

Stuff like this is often forgotten: https://i.redd.it/lb2npuvhxobb1.jpg

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Standing out in any way in a small, socially conservative community can have some pretty terrible consequences.

Can confirm. A friend of mine got death threats for reading the constitution aloud on the steps of town hall. This was not in Alabama. It was in the Massachusetts hill towns.

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"Two men were released after The Times asked about them, half a year after their sentences had been completed." Horrific. This egregious human rights violation is something you'd think you read about in a developing nation, not a developed nation.

Sounds really expensive for the municipality. The local jailers are probably doing well, though sticking it to the local rubes who support them.

Many people are happy to spend money to hurt members of out-groups.

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"Two men were released after The Times asked about them, half a year after their sentences had been completed." Horrific. This egregious human rights violation is something you'd think you read about in a developing nation, not a developed nation.

Sounds really expensive for the municipality. The local jailers are probably doing well, though sticking it to the local rubes who support them.

If you or I did the same thing, we'd be in jail shortly for kidnapping and false imprisonment. Here, at best, it just means the local taxpayers pay a settlement.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Colonization ended 50 years ago and yet, there were never as many slaves in the world as there are today. There are more than 40 million people enslaved now. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Slavery_Index

Colonization has only ended in express terms. In many parts of the world, including essentially all of the developing nations where slavery has expanded in the past half-century, the dominant economic activity are forms of extraction at the behest either multinationals, OPEC, China, or USA.

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"Two men were released after The Times asked about them, half a year after their sentences had been completed." Horrific. This egregious human rights violation is something you'd think you read about in a developing nation, not a developed nation.

> Horrific. This egregious human rights violation is something you'd think you read about in a developing nation, not a developed nation.

bruh you have no idea. seriously. the "justice system" in the US should not be called a justice system, but a slavery and penal system:

> Thirteenth Amendment, Section 1:

> Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

the US also has private prisons. do you understand? e.g., there are about 1000 prisoners in california that are also firefighters getting paid $10 a day. do you think they cost $10 a day to california?

EDIT: I was possibly mistaken about this example specifically (see below) but only as of 2022-2023 (the fire fighters program has been around for much longer than 2022-2023). there are many other examples; if you've ever seen prisoners stamping license plates in a movie, the allusion is exactly to this kind of "work":

https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/national-veri...

damning pull quote:

> Two out of three people incarcerated in state and federal prisons are also workers, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) estimated in a June 2022 report.

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"Two men were released after The Times asked about them, half a year after their sentences had been completed." Horrific. This egregious human rights violation is something you'd think you read about in a developing nation, not a developed nation.

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> Slavery in developing nations is usually managed by an imperial colonizer.

Please, read this wiki article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery

Slavery was not invented by "colonizers". There are plenty of examples of slavery, where no conquest had happened at all, e.g., peonage.

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"Two men were released after The Times asked about them, half a year after their sentences had been completed." Horrific. This egregious human rights violation is something you'd think you read about in a developing nation, not a developed nation.

> Horrific. This egregious human rights violation is something you'd think you read about in a developing nation, not a developed nation. bruh you have no idea. seriously. the "justice system" in the US should not be called a justice system, but a slavery and penal system: > Thirteenth Amendment, Section 1: > Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been…

It's also a "wealth transfer from people not part of the system to people who are" system.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Horrific. This egregious human rights violation is something you'd think you read about in a developing nation, not a developed nation. bruh you have no idea. seriously. the "justice system" in the US should not be called a justice system, but a slavery and penal system: > Thirteenth Amendment, Section 1: > Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been…

It's also a "wealth transfer from people not part of the system to people who are" system.

it's lots of gross things that many educated americans refuse to engage with/consider and rather deny as "behind us".

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"Two men were released after The Times asked about them, half a year after their sentences had been completed." Horrific. This egregious human rights violation is something you'd think you read about in a developing nation, not a developed nation.

> Horrific. This egregious human rights violation is something you'd think you read about in a developing nation, not a developed nation. bruh you have no idea. seriously. the "justice system" in the US should not be called a justice system, but a slavery and penal system: > Thirteenth Amendment, Section 1: > Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been…

> the US also has private prisons. do you understand? e.g., there are about 1000 prisoners in california that are also firefighters getting paid $10 a day.

“E.g.” is is misused here: California prison firefighters are not an example of private prisons (California does not employ private prisons.)

> do you think they cost $10 a day to california?

Well, yeah, they are state prisoners in state prisons, whos do you think is paying the $10/day to the prisoners?

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