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Re: European Union OS – Fedora Linux and KDE Plasma Based

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Post by couscouspie »

BSDobelix wrote: post #12
akagusu wrote: post #4

Based on Fedora which is owned by a US company. Why?

Yes, it's incredibly stupid, there is already EuroLinux (RHEL) and now EU OS (Fedora), Fedora and RHEL are not community distros. Is this some kind of testbed for ChatControl2.0? From the Site: Sovereign OS built to the requirements for the EU public sector Sleek OS that is fast and eco-friendly on new and old hardware Yes...no. Fedora is not sovereign, nor is KDE "sleek". Must be a troll distribution, I trust HannaM…

How exactly is Fedora, a FOSS under the GPL license, not sovereign?

Re: European Union OS – Fedora Linux and KDE Plasma Based

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Post by jrjsmrtn »

fsflover wrote: post #7
dagw wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea. If they want to support EU based companies and tech, why wouldn't they use SuSE? Or base it on Debian if they don't want to be 'beholden' to any company.

> Or base it on Debian if they don't want to be 'beholden' to any company. Debian typically doesn't support new hardware and software while Fedora does. Personally, I found the balance by using both inside Qubes OS.

Debian Stable and Fedora answer to different use cases. I wouldn't use Fedora on any production server.

Re: European Union OS – Fedora Linux and KDE Plasma Based

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Post by jrjsmrtn »

couscouspie wrote: post #19
akagusu wrote: post #4

Based on Fedora which is owned by a US company. Why?

It doesn't matter where software was produced or where it's core contributors reside. As long as it is fully open sourced and distributed under the GPL license (as Fedora) it is by nature an independent technology that empowers the user to claim their own sovereignty.

Correct.

But being open source and distributed under the GPL is not enough.

RedHat or SuSE have a more indeterminate future due to their shareholders control, frequent changes of owners, distro licensing or source code availability.

Debian, the distro, is almost boring but has the largest platform scope and one of the largest package base. Debian, the organisation, with its community, its policies, its social contract, its independence, has proven its resilience over and over again.

In addition to Debian's LTS and ELTS support, the Civil Infrastructure Platform (https://www.cip-project.org) provides Super-Long-Term Stable (SLTS) kernels for ten years. Want paid support ? Look at companies like Freexian. Want reproducible builds? (https://reproducible-builds.org) Look at https://wiki.debian.org/ReproducibleBuilds (And yes, I'm very aware of NixOS/Guix).

Thus, why start a new Linux distribution if we want sovereignty?

Let's support and build on the Debian project and community, the Civil Infrastructure Platform, the Linux Foundation, the reproducible builds projects. Let's support Proxmox, a EU-born VMware alternative based on Debian ! :-)

Developer resources are scarce, maintainers burnout is real. Let's not waste energy on futile projects. Let's build our sovereignty on solid, existing foundations.

Re: European Union OS – Fedora Linux and KDE Plasma Based

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Post by jrjsmrtn »

jrjsmrtn wrote: post #23
couscouspie wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't matter where software was produced or where it's core contributors reside. As long as it is fully open sourced and distributed under the GPL license (as Fedora) it is by nature an independent technology that empowers the user to claim their own sovereignty.

Correct. But being open source and distributed under the GPL is not enough. RedHat or SuSE have a more indeterminate future due to their shareholders control, frequent changes of owners, distro licensing or source code availability. Debian, the distro, is almost boring but has the largest platform scope and one of the largest package base. Debian, the organisation, with its community, its policies, its social contrac…

Oh, and let's move to RISC-V. ;-)

Re: European Union OS – Fedora Linux and KDE Plasma Based

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Post by BSDobelix »

couscouspie wrote: post #21
BSDobelix wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it's incredibly stupid, there is already EuroLinux (RHEL) and now EU OS (Fedora), Fedora and RHEL are not community distros. Is this some kind of testbed for ChatControl2.0? From the Site: Sovereign OS built to the requirements for the EU public sector Sleek OS that is fast and eco-friendly on new and old hardware Yes...no. Fedora is not sovereign, nor is KDE "sleek". Must be a troll distribution, I trust HannaM…

How exactly is Fedora, a FOSS under the GPL license, not sovereign?

Fedora does what RedHat/IBM want's. For example not shipping patented Codecs because RedHat could be sued.

Same with openSUSE (the "community"-distro from SLES).

>Red Hat: why I'm going all in on community-driven Linux distros:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUXYbt1eLTA

Re: European Union OS – Fedora Linux and KDE Plasma Based

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Post by hulitu »

Rick76 wrote: post #3

I understand this isn't an official EU project, but with the ongoing trade war and Europe's desire to distance itself from US big tech, I'm excited to see what they develop. Americans might appreciate this too, as the internet today is dominated by a handful of companies, leading to excessive polarization. The first thing that needs competition imo is Youtube, there is nothing like it.

> Europe's desire to distance itself from US big tech

Who ? IBM ? Never heard about it. /s

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