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Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Post by pbiggar »

100%! Between US tech surveilling the population, selling their data to data brokers, controlling what content they see, and surveilling even their customers customers, this has to happen extremely quickly.

The end goal has to be that EU businesses should be able to easily ensure that their customers' data is never accessible to US companies. This is incredibly challenging at the moment due to SaaS - the amount of subprocessors that a company uses, and then transitively uses, makes it impossible at the moment imo.

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Post by epistasis »

schnitzelstoat wrote: post #13

> Dutch MP Barbara Kathmann, author of four of the motions, told The Register. "If we continue outsourcing all of our digital infrastructure to billionaires that would rather escape Earth by building space rockets, there will be no Dutch expertise left." This kind of casual anti-technology attitude among European politicians is part of the reason we are in this mess.

What anti-technology attitude do you see?

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Post by bittermandel »

Finally! At least one parliament wants to invest in local technology and give the region a fair chance, rather than going with the (today) technically superior hyperscalers. There's no discussion that e.g. Azure solves a lot of problems that EU clouds don't solve today, but diversifying some bets to a local market will definitely pay dividends in terms of local economy and knowledge growth. I hope it pays off.

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Post by pb7 »

epistasis wrote: post #22
schnitzelstoat wrote: post #13

> Dutch MP Barbara Kathmann, author of four of the motions, told The Register. "If we continue outsourcing all of our digital infrastructure to billionaires that would rather escape Earth by building space rockets, there will be no Dutch expertise left." This kind of casual anti-technology attitude among European politicians is part of the reason we are in this mess.

What anti-technology attitude do you see?

Chastising developing space tech?

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Post by Vinnl »

Mvandenbergh wrote: post #17

I mean, ok, fine guys but this is just more empty gestures from a club of empty heads in the GroenLinks/PvdA clown-car. I don't recall that they were against (in fact they were in favour) of the removal of the 30% tax rules intended to attract expats in, among other things, tech businesses. I don't recall that they've ever done or said anything to make the country a more attractive place to start or grow a business o…

Not all these motions were by GL/PvdA (but a few were), and they haven't been in power for a long time, and aren't now, so there's not much more than "gestures" you can expect of them at the moment.

But yes, the key thing will be how the government (current and future ones) will followup.

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Post by monooso »

schnitzelstoat wrote: post #13

> Dutch MP Barbara Kathmann, author of four of the motions, told The Register. "If we continue outsourcing all of our digital infrastructure to billionaires that would rather escape Earth by building space rockets, there will be no Dutch expertise left." This kind of casual anti-technology attitude among European politicians is part of the reason we are in this mess.

You may not agree with the sentiment, but the quote isn't anti-technology.

It doesn't say that "escaping Earth" is an inherently bad thing, it simply highlights the perils of outsourcing digital infrastructure to certain billionaires who wish to do so. Which is a valid concern.

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Post by wesselbindt »

Mvandenbergh wrote: post #17

I mean, ok, fine guys but this is just more empty gestures from a club of empty heads in the GroenLinks/PvdA clown-car. I don't recall that they were against (in fact they were in favour) of the removal of the 30% tax rules intended to attract expats in, among other things, tech businesses. I don't recall that they've ever done or said anything to make the country a more attractive place to start or grow a business o…

It sounds like you have a bone to pick with GL, which is totally fair. But do you have any thoughts on the proposal itself?
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