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Amazon plans to lay off 14,000 managerial positions to save $3.5B yearly

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Re: Amazon plans to lay off 14,000 managerial positions to save $3.5B yearly

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Post by coliveira »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #4

This is old news and refers to the 15% figure that was announced last year (more than 6 months ago!) and for which the "layoffs" are already completed. Overall, nothing at all happened, managers looked after their own kind and the worst that happened for some was having to go back to IC positions. The article is most likely AI generated since it says this was announced "last month" and the article is from March, but…

They probably just "promoted" people under them and then immediately fired these people for "poor performance". It is an old scheme they have.

Re: Amazon plans to lay off 14,000 managerial positions to save $3.5B yearly

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Post by anacrolix »

wkat4242 wrote: post #17
viccis wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experience, the worst of them are lodged in there tighter than trichinella larvae.

Yeah because the good ones already left the shitshow to get a job somewhere better. Because they can.

The best are always the first to leave

Re: Amazon plans to lay off 14,000 managerial positions to save $3.5B yearly

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Post by Aurornis »

This is weird blogspam based on a Business Insider article from October of last year, which was based on a quote from Amazon's CEO in September of last year: https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-could-cut-managers-sa...

TL;DR:

> CEO Andy Jassy said last month that he wanted to increase the ratio of individual contributors to managers by at least 15% by the end of the first quarter of 2025.

It appears the rest is speculation and hypothesizing from analysts, which is why they're quoting Morgan Stanley as a source.

Re: Amazon plans to lay off 14,000 managerial positions to save $3.5B yearly

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Post by bb88 »

I'm going to make the observation that politics in a company is caused by management. The more "politics" you have at a company, the more you pay in a "political tax". Effort which should benefit the company is delayed or made harder as employees have to bob and weave to get through the politics.

I do believe if you want real culture change in a company, the best way to do it is to show managers the door, because that's how you got there in the first place.

Edited to add:

I'm not saying get rid of management. I'm saying get rid of bad management. And if your bad management is a malignant tumor, well, it's too late to fix it manager by manager -- because they've internalized how to game the system for themselves.

Re: Amazon plans to lay off 14,000 managerial positions to save $3.5B yearly

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Post by uoaei »

I've heard that the managers there aren't nearly as big a problem as the incentive structures that are imposed on managers. The competitiveness within the ranks compromises the office culture. This was explained to me as the origin of the plague of PIPs.

Re: Amazon plans to lay off 14,000 managerial positions to save $3.5B yearly

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Post by wkat4242 »

Haha a friend was just recommending I apply for a job there. I told her hell no. It's one of the worst in big tech. Probably second worst after twitter.

The next one she came up with was Microsoft lol. I work with them a lot and I hate it.

I work for an enterprise now but a pretty decent European one. I don't think I could work for a US big tech company.

Re: Amazon plans to lay off 14,000 managerial positions to save $3.5B yearly

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Post by hsbauauvhabzb »

wubrr wrote: post #11
justmarc wrote: post #2

So they finally figured out most managers are not just useless, but literally a drag to the company and progress?

The managers are just following the (fairly absurd imo), amazon internal processes for the most part. If the processes don't change, there are just going to be a bunch of overloaded managers. The current processes, culture, and 'principles'/dogmas are inefficient, contradictory and toxic af.

Who created the policies and procedures?

Re: Amazon plans to lay off 14,000 managerial positions to save $3.5B yearly

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Post by iLoveOncall »

coliveira wrote: post #21
iLoveOncall wrote: post #4

This is old news and refers to the 15% figure that was announced last year (more than 6 months ago!) and for which the "layoffs" are already completed. Overall, nothing at all happened, managers looked after their own kind and the worst that happened for some was having to go back to IC positions. The article is most likely AI generated since it says this was announced "last month" and the article is from March, but…

They probably just "promoted" people under them and then immediately fired these people for "poor performance". It is an old scheme they have.

No, they did not. Managerial positions are not a promotion in Amazon, they're just a lateral move, and the process takes around 6 months...

They did exactly what I said they did, moving some managers to IC in the very worst case but mostly shuffling teams around.

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