Man, I’m so jealous of insane praise that uv (and most other astral tools) gets. I don’t think ever seen anything so unanimously lauded around here.
Tailscale?
uv downloads overtake Poetry for Wagtail users
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#22I’m still using pip, what am I missing?
Poetry and uv both offer better dependency management, and project isolation out of the box. If you work in a team, or on more than one python project, then it's worth spending a day to install & adopt either one of these systems.
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Well, seems like 100% what’s going to happen (for the majority of Wagtail users at least) if the current trend continues. I’m not sure if that’s a good thing to be frank. But we’ll have to adjust regardless.
As a semi casual user of python that had to battle w/ dependency management recently, can you elaborate on why that would not be a good thing ? I thought about switching our project to uv but could not find the time necessary
Sure – and I think it’s certainly proving to be a good thing so far! My concerns are more longer-term. I see two primarily:
(1) As uv’s governance is driven by a for-profit company, I see incentives that will eventually compromise on its benefits.
(2) Python packaging has historically been very fragmented, and more recently there’s been lots of work on standardization. That work will be impacted when users massively shift to one package installer.
Neither of those things are clear negatives, but they’re worth being aware of.
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#24I’m still using pip, what am I missing?
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#25Plenty of packages still fail trying to spawn cmake, gcc and al.
UV does not solve all the hard problems.
Maybe switch to Pixi?
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#26For the uninitiated what is the benefit of UV over pip? I've been working with pip for so long now that I barely notice it unless something goes very wrong.
Faster.
I can't stress how fast it is when using on resource constrained envs like a Pi Zero.
I intend to use system python there but previously poetry will simply crash the whole Pi while installing itself.
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#27uv sounds great! For those still using Python v2, how well does it work? pip used to be a pain when having to manage both Python v2 and v3 projects and tools.
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#29is it me or is there a new python dependency manager every year?
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#30I recently switched to uv, and I cannot praise it enough. With uv, the Python ecosystem finally feels mature and polished rather than like a collection of brittle hacks. Kudos to the uv developers for creating such an amazing piece of software!
Ok, you convinced me to give it a try. Tbh, I am a casual user of python and I don't want to touch it unless I have a damn good reason to use it.
You do not need a damn good reason for this. Just try it out on a simple hello world. Then try it out on a project already using poetry for eg.
uv init
uv sync
and you're done
I'd say if you do not run into the pitfalls of a large python codebase with hundreds of dependencies, you'll not get the bigger argument people are talking about.