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Peru's Great Urban Experiment (2023)

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Re: Peru's Great Urban Experiment (2023)

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Post by kvgr »

contrarian1234 wrote: post #15
bregma wrote: post #8

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I went there with my younger kids a few years ago. It was like visiting the USA only fewer guns and authoritarian people in uniforms everywhere, and don't drink the water out of the tap. Also maybe pay in cash everywhere since no one takes cards. Lima is big and like big cities everywhere be on your guard in touristy areas because a lot of people make a living there and not always through legal means. Hiking the Inca…

> Lima is big and like big cities everywhere be on your guard in touristy areas because a lot of people make a living there and not always through legal means. Super weird to normalize urban violence.. as someone who lives in Asia.. this is a really messed up terrorized mindset. You don't need to walk around Shanghai, Singapore, Tokyo, Seoul or Bangkok and "be on your guard" .. ever. Your government(s) have just fail…

It must be historical and also how cities are settled. South America has huge influx of uneducated, poor people into the cities. It is easy for them to get entangled in bad activities in the slums. Like Rio. Beautiful city and some government reforms pushed ex slaves into city with no prospect for life. and government forgot about them until there was a problem. And maybe there is different social net in Asia. Culture based on shame, more than power/status(?).

Re: Peru's Great Urban Experiment (2023)

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Post by kvgr »

smpnav wrote: post #12
yannis wrote: post #3

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Great you visited it. One reads all these cautionary notices about traveling to Peru. What was your experience? Did you visit on a group tour? Would love to know more.

Peru has had a lot of bad press but if you use your common sense you’ll be fine. I live in Lima, for example the tourist areas here have a high police presence and are safe.

I felt kind of safe there, depends of a district. But I know personally a guy 1,9 meters, boxer, that got drunk and took a taxi, the guy drove him to darl alley where friends were waiting and took his stuff. So it is always about using your brain and a bit of luck. But that was more than 10 years ago. Maybe with uber, these situations are safer.

Re: Peru's Great Urban Experiment (2023)

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Post by robohoe »

contrarian1234 wrote: post #15
bregma wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I went there with my younger kids a few years ago. It was like visiting the USA only fewer guns and authoritarian people in uniforms everywhere, and don't drink the water out of the tap. Also maybe pay in cash everywhere since no one takes cards. Lima is big and like big cities everywhere be on your guard in touristy areas because a lot of people make a living there and not always through legal means. Hiking the Inca…

> Lima is big and like big cities everywhere be on your guard in touristy areas because a lot of people make a living there and not always through legal means. Super weird to normalize urban violence.. as someone who lives in Asia.. this is a really messed up terrorized mindset. You don't need to walk around Shanghai, Singapore, Tokyo, Seoul or Bangkok and "be on your guard" .. ever. Your government(s) have just fail…

What’s odd the Opp calls out guns in USA but is ok with unsafe areas in Peru?

> It was like visiting the USA only fewer guns and authoritarian people in uniforms everywhere, and don't drink the water out of the tap.

Re: Peru's Great Urban Experiment (2023)

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Post by nomdep »

contrarian1234 wrote: post #15
bregma wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I went there with my younger kids a few years ago. It was like visiting the USA only fewer guns and authoritarian people in uniforms everywhere, and don't drink the water out of the tap. Also maybe pay in cash everywhere since no one takes cards. Lima is big and like big cities everywhere be on your guard in touristy areas because a lot of people make a living there and not always through legal means. Hiking the Inca…

> Lima is big and like big cities everywhere be on your guard in touristy areas because a lot of people make a living there and not always through legal means. Super weird to normalize urban violence.. as someone who lives in Asia.. this is a really messed up terrorized mindset. You don't need to walk around Shanghai, Singapore, Tokyo, Seoul or Bangkok and "be on your guard" .. ever. Your government(s) have just fail…

Is not about normalizing (or “my country is better than yours”) is about acknowledging reality

Also, OP wasn’t talking about violence (very rare) but scams.

Re: Peru's Great Urban Experiment (2023)

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Post by dakiol »

kvgr wrote: post #21
contrarian1234 wrote: post #15

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> Lima is big and like big cities everywhere be on your guard in touristy areas because a lot of people make a living there and not always through legal means. Super weird to normalize urban violence.. as someone who lives in Asia.. this is a really messed up terrorized mindset. You don't need to walk around Shanghai, Singapore, Tokyo, Seoul or Bangkok and "be on your guard" .. ever. Your government(s) have just fail…

It must be historical and also how cities are settled. South America has huge influx of uneducated, poor people into the cities. It is easy for them to get entangled in bad activities in the slums. Like Rio. Beautiful city and some government reforms pushed ex slaves into city with no prospect for life. and government forgot about them until there was a problem. And maybe there is different social net in Asia. Cultur…

I think it’s the whole American continent (north and south) that’s way behind Europe/Asia regarding safety in the streets.

Re: Peru's Great Urban Experiment (2023)

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Post by bregma »

dakiol wrote: post #25
kvgr wrote: post #21

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It must be historical and also how cities are settled. South America has huge influx of uneducated, poor people into the cities. It is easy for them to get entangled in bad activities in the slums. Like Rio. Beautiful city and some government reforms pushed ex slaves into city with no prospect for life. and government forgot about them until there was a problem. And maybe there is different social net in Asia. Cultur…

I think it’s the whole American continent (north and south) that’s way behind Europe/Asia regarding safety in the streets.

Honestly I felt more unsafe in certain touristy parts of Paris than anywhere I went in Lima. But not because of violence but because of pickpockets and scammers. I would chalk that up to the fact that most foreigners visiting the Plaza des Armas in Lima are probably an order of magnitude less wealthy than the busloads middle-class tourist crowding Montmartre in Paris.
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