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#22
post #13

I thought this said Orgies Are Cool on first glance..

They are most certainly not. It suffers from the nude beach paradox: Anyone who wants you to see them naked, is not someone you want to see naked.

You've been the wrong parties, my friend. (Or you don't have the right kinks)

Re: Ogres Are Cool

#26

There's an error in the text. It says they were Huguenots who left after the Edict of Nantes, which is not true. They left after the revocation of the Edict of Nantes in 1685, which had protected Huguenots until then. This last edict is called the Edict of Fontainebleau. So they left after the Edict of Fontainebleau.

So it's still technically correct in a Mitch Hedbergian sense?

I’d never heard of him before. This is why I love HN :)

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#29
This was a really great article. This part stood out to me in particular:

> But what these tales are absolutely forbidden from representing is any agent or action that falls into the social class or milieu of the people who chiefly collected and read them. So the Grimms’ own world of government employees, highly literate women, libraries and universities is perhaps the most profoundly forbidden space of the folk tale. Indeed you might even say that not including that world is what makes a tale seem folkish, rather than, say, novelish. Part of the fiction of the Volk is that there is an absolute social void between the princes, the kings, the princesses on the one hand, and the tailors, discharged soldiers, huntsmen, kitchen maids and impoverished forest dwellers on the other.

I wonder why we don't see this perspective more often in modern popular fantasy. It seems that for the most part, they stick close to Tolkien or Arthurian models, primarily following the exploits of kings and knights. Even the popular fantasy authors who actively seek to subvert the genre's tropes tend to stick close to that perspective. And when we are treated to the perspective of a "common" person, they often turn out to have been born special for some reason, soon finding out they're some powerful person's lost heir or the subject of some prophecy, with the character being swept off into the world of the ruling class. Obviously, a lot of folk tales end with the commoner running off with a prince or princess, which isn't terribly dissimilar, but I don't remember Cinderella or Snow White being special beyond being pretty and charming.

It may be a blind spot of my own, but I can't think of many examples of fantasy with truly common folk as the primary perspective.

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