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Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by anon7000 »

nkotov wrote: post #13

I have two iPads Pros. I still can't figure out where I can use them. I realize that they are overpowered entertainment devices for me now.

They are solid for audio production too, with a lot of fairly powerful DAWs. (Like AUM or Loopy Pro.) you can even connect MIDI instruments from other apps into the DAW and then play them with a connected midi controller, add USB audio interfaces for multitrack recording and live performances, etc.

Or it can be a glorified PDF reader for sheet music (with a nice pencil to boot)… and it’s also great for drawing.

They’re very powerful devices. Sure, iOS is limited, with poor multitasking workflows. But you can still write very powerful apps for iOS.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by dangus »

axpvms wrote: post #8

>Will we still have just three operating systems to choose from - of which only two are really suitable for a worker's desktop? That's going to go down poorly with the Linux enthusiasts

Heck, that's going to go down poorly with those who will correctly point out that not only are there a gazillion Linux desktop environments which equates to a lot more than 3 "operating system" choices ("Linux" is just the kernel and a set of included/bundled/related technologies) but that there are also other systems you can daily drive like FreeBSD that aren't even Linux.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by dangus »

fsflover wrote: post #4
BoredPositron wrote: post #3

Yet, another I've bought a tablet but should have bought a laptop to replace my old laptop "article". It's not ready, why apple does it like this we don't know... but pretending that we don't know it despite talking about it for 10 or more years is disingenuous and fails the debate at hand.

> It's not ready, why apple does it like this we don't know What is not ready? A tablet today can surely run a full OS without restrictions [0]. Apple doesn't want it, and it's worth talking about it. [0] https://puri.sm/products/librem-11/

Yeah but is the Librem 11 any good?

I already made that mistake with Linux phones. They were unusable crap.

Immediately I can tell you that $1000 for a tablet with an Intel N5100 (Celeron) is not a good buy at all. The processor you get in the iPad Pro is 7x faster at multi-core operations and 4x faster in single thread (PassMark).

You can play recent AAA games like Resident Evil 2 (Remake) on an iPad Pro. It looks very similar to a home console in terms of level of detail in graphics.

The 3DMark Wild Life Unlimited benchmark is a difference in performance score of 12x

You're also getting a tandem OLED display that's essentially the best display on the market.

These are not even in the same class of device. I have to seriously question what the Librem 11 is actually good at? What is the target audience going to do with it? Being able to become root and fuck around in the terminal on a potato device isn't a use case. I can just go do that on a laptop or desktop which will be a much better device for doing those kinds of tasks.

If things that tablets are good at and intended for like drawing, viewing content, and any tablet workflows (e.g. digital audio produciton or film editing) or games involving high performance are all literally 10x better/more performant on an iPad, what is the Librem tablet supposed to be good at that isn't going to be a better experience in something like a Framework or even just a Dell/Lenovo laptop with Linux installed?

People don't buy devices to read the source code.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by fsflover »

dangus wrote: post #23
fsflover wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's not ready, why apple does it like this we don't know What is not ready? A tablet today can surely run a full OS without restrictions [0]. Apple doesn't want it, and it's worth talking about it. [0] https://puri.sm/products/librem-11/

Yeah but is the Librem 11 any good? I already made that mistake with Linux phones. They were unusable crap. Immediately I can tell you that $1000 for a tablet with an Intel N5100 (Celeron) is not a good buy at all. The processor you get in the iPad Pro is 7x faster at multi-core operations and 4x faster in single thread (PassMark). You can play recent AAA games like Resident Evil 2 (Remake) on an iPad Pro. It looks v…

It all depends on your use case. I'm using Librem 5 as a daily driver.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by pjmlp »

axpvms wrote: post #8

>Will we still have just three operating systems to choose from - of which only two are really suitable for a worker's desktop? That's going to go down poorly with the Linux enthusiasts

As former Linux enthusiast, I am alright with it, I rather game, watch hardware accelerated videos, got access to the tools I need, and I need to reach out for GNU/Linux, can always start a VM.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by pjmlp »

dangus wrote: post #20
jmull wrote: post #19

I guess this kind of article always gets attention, but they always seem so stupid to me. A thing exists that I don't want. I could: (1) ignore the thing; or (2) complain that the thing isn't something I want (1) seems so obviously the right thing to do. This goes double when the thing you do want does, in fact, exist . But, no, the internet opts for (2). I guess complaining just feels good, even when it's about some…

The author literally just bought the wrong device for their needs. Probably 95% of people who own computers do not need root access and should not have it, possibly ever. The iPad is a great device for all the people who need what it offers. It's an amazing graphical tablet, it's a cheap way to watch movies and play games, and it's an amazing system to use while standing without a desk (e.g., for retail and outdoor s…

Some folks seem to be in the fashion that everything with a CPU can get a monitor and a keyboard attached to it, regardless of the original design purpose.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by johnisgood »

alp1n3_eth wrote: post #7

I think there's a difference between Microsoft refusing to support completely operational hardware for their new OS, and Apple not adding extra features / support into a pre-existing product just because the underlying tech is now more powerful. It sounds weird, but going OS #1 -> OS #2, you don't expect your hardware to impact it from a computer point of view. But going from iPad #1 -> iPad #2, why would it all of a…

"cloud-based ... is the answer", please, I hope not.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by pjmlp »

nkotov wrote: post #13

I have two iPads Pros. I still can't figure out where I can use them. I realize that they are overpowered entertainment devices for me now.

My Samsung tablet replaced my dead netbook, it is perfectly fine for the occasional computing needs I had during travel, that I originally bought the netbook for.

I get to watch hardware accelerated videos, that the Linux distros on the netbook never managed to after Flash was gone never managed to get VAPI working.

I get to play games, designed for Android, without needing to translate Windows/DirectX on the go, because studios can't be bothered to port Android/NDK into GNU/Linux.

I get to read ebooks and take notes with the pen.

The detachable keyboard is good enough for short sessions of writing documents, sheets, travel planing, playing with shader code, python and C# development snippets on the go.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by dangus »

fsflover wrote: post #24
dangus wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but is the Librem 11 any good? I already made that mistake with Linux phones. They were unusable crap. Immediately I can tell you that $1000 for a tablet with an Intel N5100 (Celeron) is not a good buy at all. The processor you get in the iPad Pro is 7x faster at multi-core operations and 4x faster in single thread (PassMark). You can play recent AAA games like Resident Evil 2 (Remake) on an iPad Pro. It looks v…

It all depends on your use case. I'm using Librem 5 as a daily driver.

Isn't that kind of a cop out answer?

I'm sure it's a great daily driver for someone who wants to do almost nothing on their phone.

I mean we are talking about a $800 phone with no 5G modem. That's already a dealbreaker just from a carrier spectrum allocation aspect alone. This is a phone that will not get as good of a connection to do basic things like make calls and exchange texts/images/vidoes compared to any other device on the market.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by Apocryphon »

pjmlp wrote: post #26
dangus wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The author literally just bought the wrong device for their needs. Probably 95% of people who own computers do not need root access and should not have it, possibly ever. The iPad is a great device for all the people who need what it offers. It's an amazing graphical tablet, it's a cheap way to watch movies and play games, and it's an amazing system to use while standing without a desk (e.g., for retail and outdoor s…

Some folks seem to be in the fashion that everything with a CPU can get a monitor and a keyboard attached to it, regardless of the original design purpose.

Why not?

https://www.youtube.com/@BringusStudios

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