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Show HN: We built a Plug-in Home Battery for the 99.7% of us without Powerwalls

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Re: Show HN: We built a Plug-in Home Battery for the 99.7% of us without Powerwalls

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Hi Cole, a few questions:

When you say it is bidirectional, what does that mean? It sounds like it means backfeeding into the wall outlet, but I dont think that can be right.

I am also missing how this is different from other inline device battery backups that have been around for decades and cost 20% the price. Is it that it has a built in DC charge controller for an optional solar panel?

Overall, This seems like a tough space to carve out a niche. It seems like the product is trying to position between whole house batteries ( powerwall), multi-purpose power stations (ecoflow), and generic outlet battery backups. As an outside observer reading your website, it wasnt immediately obvious how this solution is better than any of those in their respective domain, or how its own domain is different.

Edit: Maybe I misunderstand the solar charging? How does this work? Does it charge from AC outlet during solar production? Is this managed with a timer, or other smart connections to the solar inverter, ect?

Re: Show HN: We built a Plug-in Home Battery for the 99.7% of us without Powerwalls

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Very cool. You mention powering connected devices - is it feasible to push power back through the outlet to power parts of the home? Euro solar panels are doing this I believe.

Yeah great question. The hardware is capable of bidirectional power, and electrical codes and standards in the U.S. are now catching up with Europe. “Balcony Solar” has taken off there, especially in Germany. Utah just passed H.B. 340 which allows up to 1200W of plug-in solar backfeed. It wasn’t so long ago that grid-tied batteries like Powerwall were working through the same kind of standards updating process to par…

Interesting. How is this being managed on the device level? do devices ship with this functionality and configure it based on their state code?

Re: Show HN: We built a Plug-in Home Battery for the 99.7% of us without Powerwalls

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is designed to backup your most important appliances. You can start with one or have one in each room.

Understood. My boiler/furnace is the single most important "appliance" in my house. I guess I still need an electrician and/or use the traditional gas generator/panel switch approach.

If you get an electrician to rewire it to have a plug, you could certainly back it up with Pila.

Re: Show HN: We built a Plug-in Home Battery for the 99.7% of us without Powerwalls

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I’m curious what’s the rank sort of items a typical apartment dweller would want to keep on backup - for me it would be WiFi router, phone charger, microwave, kettle and a couple kitchen lights. Any power restrictions that would preclude running microwave or kettle?

No restrictions, it can provide 2.2kW of power & even more temporarily for starting sump pumps or other motors.

Re: Show HN: We built a Plug-in Home Battery for the 99.7% of us without Powerwalls

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Hi Cole, a few questions: When you say it is bidirectional, what does that mean? It sounds like it means backfeeding into the wall outlet, but I dont think that can be right. I am also missing how this is different from other inline device battery backups that have been around for decades and cost 20% the price. Is it that it has a built in DC charge controller for an optional solar panel? Overall, This seems like a…

It’s bidirectional in that it can push power back into the home through the outlet. This is popular in Germany & was recently allowed by Utah legislators. It can charge from the wall or a temporary solar.

Re: Show HN: We built a Plug-in Home Battery for the 99.7% of us without Powerwalls

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Hi Cole, a few questions: When you say it is bidirectional, what does that mean? It sounds like it means backfeeding into the wall outlet, but I dont think that can be right. I am also missing how this is different from other inline device battery backups that have been around for decades and cost 20% the price. Is it that it has a built in DC charge controller for an optional solar panel? Overall, This seems like a…

Yeah thanks I appreciate the questions. I'll do my best to answer them, but let me know if I can clarify anything here!

On bidirectionality: Yep this would involve backfeeding an outlet - It's new here in the U.S. but not unprecedented. Plug-in "Balcony Solar" systems have taken Germany by storm in recent years, and Utah just passed the first bill in the US (HB340) to allow plug-in solar panels to export to the grid. Pretty cool to see new these options emerge for renters. There's still work to do to take this to mainstream and get all jurisdictions, utilities, and equipment manufacturers aligned on final standards but I'm optimistic.

On solar: You've got 2 options -- Timed charging with a rooftop system just like how "AC-coupled" batteries like Powerwall work. Or, "DC-coupling" by connecting solar PV panels directly to Pila. If Pila is in your kitchen, running a DC-coupled panel wire may only be practical in a multi-day outage, but for a fridge in the garage it's a relatively easy option.

On differentiation: We're up for the challenge :) - With Powerwall and SPAN (or other home devices like Nest) my take is it's the software and integration value that sets them out ahead. That's where we're really excited to create value and carve our niche. But zooming out, it's a big market, and our goal is to give folks more options to fit their needs, and it's totally going to be the case that simpler portable camping batteries are right for some, and big Powerwall-like batteries are right for others.

Portable camping batteries, generally: More options come out every year, but on the hardware side they're not optimal since most use e-mobility battery chemistries, which are great for delivering high power on demand but wear out fast when cycled daily for home energy use. And since they’re meant to be manually deployed, they’re not always charged and ready when you actually need them—unlike a system that’s always on, managing power in the background without you having to think about it.

Re: Show HN: We built a Plug-in Home Battery for the 99.7% of us without Powerwalls

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah great question. The hardware is capable of bidirectional power, and electrical codes and standards in the U.S. are now catching up with Europe. “Balcony Solar” has taken off there, especially in Germany. Utah just passed H.B. 340 which allows up to 1200W of plug-in solar backfeed. It wasn’t so long ago that grid-tied batteries like Powerwall were working through the same kind of standards updating process to par…

Interesting. How is this being managed on the device level? do devices ship with this functionality and configure it based on their state code?

Yep! All hardware is capable, and the Grid Code configuration can be set and updated at any time. So as more states follow suit, Pila's ready

Re: Show HN: We built a Plug-in Home Battery for the 99.7% of us without Powerwalls

#29
This device is quite dense and priced accordingly. Other dumb UPSs or "solar batteries" with this level of battery capacity are all around $1000.

Great work on the local API first approach. I can't remember the last SmartAppTM device that was local API first and not wholely dependent on some fly-by-night SaaS that requires you to sign-up. Hope we see more of this in the industry. Span is infamous for removing local API control of their panels.

Re: Show HN: We built a Plug-in Home Battery for the 99.7% of us without Powerwalls

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This device is quite dense and priced accordingly. Other dumb UPSs or "solar batteries" with this level of battery capacity are all around $1000. Great work on the local API first approach. I can't remember the last SmartAppTM device that was local API first and not wholely dependent on some fly-by-night SaaS that requires you to sign-up. Hope we see more of this in the industry. Span is infamous for removing local A…

Our team's really excited about the local-first approach. Both because it's going to make the system more reliable overall (essential for devices aimed at resilience), and because we're also excited to build integrations and see what the community develops as well. You're right, so few do it even though there's so much to gain. Happy to take any thoughts or requests on local monitoring/control/data features that you'd like to see!
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