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Re: A 19yo woman graduated from high school with honors even though she can't read

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> teachers are overworked to squeeze out performance for the 90%, and cases like hers are the ones that fall through the cracks. Hartford public schools spends about ~30% of its budget on the ~15% of special education students; basically 2x more money per student than non-special ed students. Nominally that's actually one of the highest percentages on special education in the nation, though that might have to do with…

There's a huge gap between hiring specialists and not caring at all, and this sounds more like the latter: > They would just either tell me to stay in a corner and sleep or just draw pictures, flowers for them It doesn't take a specialist to recognize something's off (the fundamental assumption is that, barring a diagnosed learning disability, everyone is able to learn to read and write), and you don't need a full ti…

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Re: A 19yo woman graduated from high school with honors even though she can't read

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It is amazing how much people can mask, both from others and from themselves. One of my cousins is color blind (not sure which kind) and it wasn't diagnosed until he joined the navy as an electrician tech. He was utterly unable to read resistor color codes. I'm not sure how he made it that far in life without noticing; I'm guessing he implicitly was relying heavily on context cues (eg, the green stoplight is at the b…

Yeah I'm colorblind myself and usually it's not a big deal until I try to play a boardgame or tell good values from bad on random powerpoints at work. Every once in a while I'll pass a little regional airport with a "free flying lessons" sign and get excited before I remember that being colorblind precludes me from flying.

I'm colorblind and have my pilots license. You can absolutely fly (with special limitations)

Re: A 19yo woman graduated from high school with honors even though she can't read

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> teachers are overworked to squeeze out performance for the 90%, and cases like hers are the ones that fall through the cracks. However, the opposite is true, at least in California. Special needs students receive exceptional attention, often double that given to others. Each has a tailored written plan, unique to their needs, along with a detailed report reviewed by a team of specialists at the end of every trimest…

> “special needs students receive exceptional attention, often double” this zero-sum understanding of what IEPs are makes me sad, and i feel bad for your kid’s’ teachers > “Meanwhile, exceptionally bright students receive no extra focus whatsoever” perhaps consider a child with a parent who considers them exceptionally bright _is_ receiving “extra focus” just… outside of the classroom

I simply clarified the current state of affairs without saying a single negative word about it. Still, you rushed to defend it. It appears (just my guess) that you recognize flaws in the situation and feel compelled to justify it to yourself, don’t you?

As an engineer, I see both the advantages and drawbacks in what I described. The benefit is greater comfort and improved socialization for those who need it. The downside—and perhaps a critical one—is that a country neglecting its brightest students with no state support risks falling behind globally. That might not matter if we had no international rivals. But do we truly lack them?

Re: A 19yo woman graduated from high school with honors even though she can't read

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> “special needs students receive exceptional attention, often double” this zero-sum understanding of what IEPs are makes me sad, and i feel bad for your kid’s’ teachers > “Meanwhile, exceptionally bright students receive no extra focus whatsoever” perhaps consider a child with a parent who considers them exceptionally bright _is_ receiving “extra focus” just… outside of the classroom

I simply clarified the current state of affairs without saying a single negative word about it. Still, you rushed to defend it. It appears (just my guess) that you recognize flaws in the situation and feel compelled to justify it to yourself, don’t you? As an engineer, I see both the advantages and drawbacks in what I described. The benefit is greater comfort and improved socialization for those who need it. The down…

> I simply clarified the current state of affairs without saying a single negative word about it.

It's awfully grandiose to present your experiences as a parent as the "current state of affairs" and a summary of all of California's approach to school psychology.

> Still, you rushed to defend it. It appears (just my guess) that you recognize flaws in the situation and feel compelled to justify it to yourself, don’t you?

I haven't defended it - I stated that the worldview you described makes me sad, and that I feel bad for the faculty and staff (treading water in this system that I agree is broken!) that I fear you are making it worse for. Do you psychoanalyze them with extreme confidence, also?

> As an engineer,

This was already very clear.

> that a country neglecting its brightest students

Ah - you've conveniently moved the goalposts: until now you were talking about teachers not providing "extra focus" or "exceptional" attention to the "exceptionally bright" students, and now it's "neglect." But the assertion here is that the bright students are still receiving the _required_ amount of attention, but someone else is receiving "extra," which is neglect (somehow). We're back at zero-sumness! This is what bums me out!

> That might not matter if we had no international rivals. But do we truly lack them?

what are you even talking about man how did you get here

Re: A 19yo woman graduated from high school with honors even though she can't read

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Yeah I'm colorblind myself and usually it's not a big deal until I try to play a boardgame or tell good values from bad on random powerpoints at work. Every once in a while I'll pass a little regional airport with a "free flying lessons" sign and get excited before I remember that being colorblind precludes me from flying.

I'm colorblind and have my pilots license. You can absolutely fly (with special limitations)

Really? Is it like daytime only or something?

Re: A 19yo woman graduated from high school with honors even though she can't read

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It is amazing how much people can mask, both from others and from themselves. One of my cousins is color blind (not sure which kind) and it wasn't diagnosed until he joined the navy as an electrician tech. He was utterly unable to read resistor color codes. I'm not sure how he made it that far in life without noticing; I'm guessing he implicitly was relying heavily on context cues (eg, the green stoplight is at the b…

Yeah I'm colorblind myself and usually it's not a big deal until I try to play a boardgame or tell good values from bad on random powerpoints at work. Every once in a while I'll pass a little regional airport with a "free flying lessons" sign and get excited before I remember that being colorblind precludes me from flying.

https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/articles/news/do-not-let...

Re: A 19yo woman graduated from high school with honors even though she can't read

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> “special needs students receive exceptional attention, often double” this zero-sum understanding of what IEPs are makes me sad, and i feel bad for your kid’s’ teachers > “Meanwhile, exceptionally bright students receive no extra focus whatsoever” perhaps consider a child with a parent who considers them exceptionally bright _is_ receiving “extra focus” just… outside of the classroom

I simply clarified the current state of affairs without saying a single negative word about it. Still, you rushed to defend it. It appears (just my guess) that you recognize flaws in the situation and feel compelled to justify it to yourself, don’t you? As an engineer, I see both the advantages and drawbacks in what I described. The benefit is greater comfort and improved socialization for those who need it. The down…

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