Surely arm is a better choice?
The EU is better off trying to build a local capability, riscv is the best bet as you dont need an architecture/ISA license or dependencies on geopolitics
Europe bets once again on RISC-V for supercomputing
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Re: Europe bets once again on RISC-V for supercomputing
#22Surely arm is a better choice?
Choosing RISC-V here is more about how much soverienty a country has over the IP than anything else here. The US can probably consider most-all ARM IP to be dual use technology and immediately deny use of it.
RISC-V being based out of Switzerland, the ISA being under a permissive Creative Commons license, and most software tools being FOSS is definitely why it's being adopted here. It's completely isolated from all geopolitics.
Re: Europe bets once again on RISC-V for supercomputing
#23If we want this to go anywhere, not just super computing, the first step is to get devices, useful devices, in the hands of enthusiast. That means funding projects similar to the Raspberry Pi, but for RISC-V, and perhaps mini-itx boards. We need these cheap-ish computers in the hands of people who will port software to the platform. Without a good selection of ready to go software, the hardware is pretty irrelevant.
Such things have existed for several years already! Here are some examples:
https://sifive.com/boards/hifive-premier-p550
https://sifive.com/boards/hifive1-rev-b
https://www.beagleboard.org/boards/beaglev-fire
https://starfivetech.com/en/site/boards
https://milkv.io/docs/duo/getting-started/duo256m
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Re: Europe bets once again on RISC-V for supercomputing
#25If we want this to go anywhere, not just super computing, the first step is to get devices, useful devices, in the hands of enthusiast. That means funding projects similar to the Raspberry Pi, but for RISC-V, and perhaps mini-itx boards. We need these cheap-ish computers in the hands of people who will port software to the platform. Without a good selection of ready to go software, the hardware is pretty irrelevant.
Such things have existed for several years already! Here are some examples: https://sifive.com/boards/hifive-premier-p550 https://sifive.com/boards/hifive1-rev-b https://www.beagleboard.org/boards/beaglev-fire https://starfivetech.com/en/site/boards https://milkv.io/docs/duo/getting-started/duo256m There is even a Raspberry Pi model which includes two RISC-V cores alongside its ARM cores: https://www.raspberrypi.com/…
Milk-V has much more than the duo. I have a few of their products and they're very cool!
The biggest problem with them is software. Many boards only have buildroot SDKs or niche and outdated. Fedora related images.
Though if you're experienced you can port your own linux distributions to these boards.
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#27Naturally the next step is to also rely in OSes and programming languages not controlled by export regulations.
Re: Europe bets once again on RISC-V for supercomputing
#28Surely arm is a better choice?
It is not for the rest of the world who are banned from using advanced US technology so best for the world is for China to get to parity on node size as well as rest of the world to adopt RISC-V.
Re: Europe bets once again on RISC-V for supercomputing
#29China recently moved that direction. That would be nice collaboration to see between EU and China. China to publish policy to boost RISC-V chip use nationwide, sources say https://www.reuters.com/technology/china-publish-policy-boos...
If the goal is to decouple from the U.S., why would the EU want to collaborate with a totalitarian state like China?