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Do people still think crypto is a scam in 2025?

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Re: Do people still think crypto is a scam in 2025?

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Is crypto a scam? It basically works as advertised, so technically it's not a scam.

But the real question to consider is whether society is better off with crypto. Using cost-benefit analysis, we can draw up a simple balance sheet showing the positive benefits and the negative externalities:

POSITIVE SOCIAL BENEFITS

1. Money can be transferred from one person to another without intermediaries such as banks.

2. It provides an alternative to hyper-inflating currencies in places like Venezuela.

NEGATIVE SOCIAL COSTS

1. Data centers waste enormous amounts of energy mining crypto.

2. Crypto facilitates useless financial speculation and criminal activity, e.g., ransomware payments, illicit commerce, etc.

In the final analysis, the benefits are rather small, whereas the costs are significant and will continue to grow as the crypto industry expands.

Re: Do people still think crypto is a scam in 2025?

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Is money a scam? Not in itself, but you don’t have to go very far to find a scam that involves money. Similarly, it’s hard to answer your question if you consider “crypto” to be a general concept, unless you properly and narrowly define it as something specific first.

Re: Do people still think crypto is a scam in 2025?

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bitcoin isn’t “censorship resistant” with its public ledger turning that into a data mining exercise, especially since it’s not widely used in the real economy so enforcement can be gated at the exchanges.

You seem to be misunderstanding censorship resistance. It means that no government can block or stop a crypto transaction the way they can credit card and bank transactions, and has nothing to do with FIAT on/offramps at CEXs, nor with the traceability of past transactions that were made successfully.

No, you’re trying to define it too narrowly. The term censorship has never referred solely to prior restraint, for the simple reason that it’s hard to know in advance what someone will do. What makes it effective is the idea of consequences: if you’re thinking about saying “military fighting machine male” in China, you know that you’re not cleverly evading the government but rather setting yourself up for retribution.

For a financial system, this is even more true because nobody sets a flag on their transaction to say it’s criminal and so any government knows that they have to retroactively pursue activity after identifying it as forbidden.

For all forms of censorship, that idea of retroactive consequences is extremely useful because it encourages people not to do things they might otherwise consider because they don’t want to leave a permanent record, and that favors those in power. For example, say someone was thinking about donating to a women’s health clinic but is worried about leaving an indelible Bitcoin record just in case that later is deemed criminal – the other side has harmed their political opposition without even having to do a thing.

Once you understand that, the connection to the exchanges is easier to grasp: that’s where they can deanonymize people and institute transaction blocks without having to go after the entire network. Since statistically nobody pays their bills in Bitcoin, this is quite effective because anyone who needs to participate in the real economy has to go through one of few companies with legal presence, and those companies can be compelled to identify their customers and block transactions involving specific IDs.

Bitcoin is a great design for censors: imagine if the Stasi could’ve blocked every transaction someone made even without knowing their identity! Send or receive a political donation and _poof_ you can’t buy food or pay rent.

Re: Do people still think crypto is a scam in 2025?

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bitcoin isn’t “censorship resistant” with its public ledger turning that into a data mining exercise, especially since it’s not widely used in the real economy so enforcement can be gated at the exchanges.

You seem to be misunderstanding censorship resistance. It means that no government can block or stop a crypto transaction the way they can credit card and bank transactions, and has nothing to do with FIAT on/offramps at CEXs, nor with the traceability of past transactions that were made successfully.

Ok, Bitcoin has censorship resistance as long as you pretend CEXs aren't a factor, you can send money to whoever you want, as long as that person never wants to use a KYC'd offramp

Re: Do people still think crypto is a scam in 2025?

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The only large scale use of cryptocurrency is to evade laws and do things that actively harm society from killing people with drugs to scamming old people out of their money devastating their lives. That's because crypto solves no large scale problem that anyone legitimate has. The only large scale problem it solves is how to facilitate crime. Just look at how people are effectively bribing Trump through crypto. We s…

Your government has murdered uncountably more innocent people than those who've died from voluntarily choosing to ingest drugs.

Why would you say something so obviously false? A half-million people in the USA have died of drug overdoses in the last five years alone.

Re: Do people still think crypto is a scam in 2025?

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Is crypto a scam? It basically works as advertised, so technically it's not a scam. But the real question to consider is whether society is better off with crypto. Using cost-benefit analysis, we can draw up a simple balance sheet showing the positive benefits and the negative externalities: POSITIVE SOCIAL BENEFITS 1. Money can be transferred from one person to another without intermediaries such as banks. 2. It pro…

I'm not a crypto guy, but I wonder if:

>Data centers waste enormous amounts of energy mining crypto.

is still as relevant in the era of proof of stake and such?

Re: Do people still think crypto is a scam in 2025?

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post #29

Is crypto a scam? It basically works as advertised, so technically it's not a scam. But the real question to consider is whether society is better off with crypto. Using cost-benefit analysis, we can draw up a simple balance sheet showing the positive benefits and the negative externalities: POSITIVE SOCIAL BENEFITS 1. Money can be transferred from one person to another without intermediaries such as banks. 2. It pro…

I'm not a crypto guy, but I wonder if: >Data centers waste enormous amounts of energy mining crypto. is still as relevant in the era of proof of stake and such?

If you're not Etheruem, yes.
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