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Jack Daniel's says Canada pulling US alcohol off shelves 'worse than tariff'

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Re: Jack Daniel's says Canada pulling US alcohol off shelves 'worse than tariff'

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Post by nic547 »

ipython wrote: post #11
NicoJuicy wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Playing the thought experiment: If you truly annex Canada and those 40m people have voting rights, I don’t see a bright future for the Republican Party. Given proportional representation, they’ll have a voting bloc bigger than California and their politics do not align with the current state of the republicans.

Would Canada get voting rights? I would assume that Canada (or any other aquisition) would get a status like the District of Columbia or Puerto Rico to prevent a political shift in the US.

Re: Jack Daniel's says Canada pulling US alcohol off shelves 'worse than tariff'

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Post by JKCalhoun »

zevets wrote: post #9
NicoJuicy wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The problem with this administration is that you can't tell if they are 1) fools (resources != profitable resource extraction) 2) on drugs (elon's pupils during his oval office press conf) 3) hilariously corrupt ( zeroing out IRS, SEC enforcement) 4) captive by insane ideologies (the neo-nazis they willingly associate with, trump's strange pro-russia views) 5) all of the above

Whew, good you added 5) All of the Above as I was onboard with more than one of the above.

Re: Jack Daniel's says Canada pulling US alcohol off shelves 'worse than tariff'

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Post by _zetk »

tfandango wrote: post #18
jfengel wrote: post #2

You think that's disproportionate? Imposing a tariff in response to nothing at all is disproportionate. On a percentage basis, it's merely a finite response to an infinite action. That doesn't seem unfair to me. Don't expect your enemy to play by your rules when you're the one who made them an enemy.

Remember we are imposing the tariffs on an emergency basis because of fentanyl crossing the border. Even though everyone, even our mastermind president can't even play along with his own rouse; saying things like he wants manufacturing to move to the US or Canada becoming state 51 to avoid tariffs. There are no more rules anymore.

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Re: Jack Daniel's says Canada pulling US alcohol off shelves 'worse than tariff'

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Post by JKCalhoun »

flr03 wrote: post #6

I'm not canadian, but my understanding is that this is beyond just the tariff. It is in addition of the general attitude and (lack of) diplomacy from the US government towards Canada for the past few weeks.

And Canada would do best to hold strong until this US presidential term is up.

Re: Jack Daniel's says Canada pulling US alcohol off shelves 'worse than tariff'

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Post by piva00 »

canadagooses wrote: post #10
jfengel wrote: post #2

You think that's disproportionate? Imposing a tariff in response to nothing at all is disproportionate. On a percentage basis, it's merely a finite response to an infinite action. That doesn't seem unfair to me. Don't expect your enemy to play by your rules when you're the one who made them an enemy.

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What protectionist tariffs has Canada imposed on the USA exactly before Trump's trade war?

> And so, no, you’re are wrong, these are not tariffs for nothing. Stop lying.

But you... Did? There was a free trade agreement, negotiated and signed by the same president you put back into the White House, it's just NAFTA with another name, and even with that they decided to put tariffs on Canada. There's no rhyme or reason to do that, no matter how much you attempt to be a pushover with an absolutely empty argument.

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Post by tfandango »

_zetk wrote: post #23
tfandango wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember we are imposing the tariffs on an emergency basis because of fentanyl crossing the border. Even though everyone, even our mastermind president can't even play along with his own rouse; saying things like he wants manufacturing to move to the US or Canada becoming state 51 to avoid tariffs. There are no more rules anymore.

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Yes, this is what I was saying.

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Post by bediger4000 »

ipython wrote: post #11
NicoJuicy wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Playing the thought experiment: If you truly annex Canada and those 40m people have voting rights, I don’t see a bright future for the Republican Party. Given proportional representation, they’ll have a voting bloc bigger than California and their politics do not align with the current state of the republicans.

Trump has always said "51st state", so all Canadian provinces would have a few Representatives and 2 senators. The number of electoral votes is sacred, as is the number of senators and representatives. Adding Canada as 1 state wouldn't really change national politics.

Yes, I'm glossing over Quebec.

Re: Jack Daniel's says Canada pulling US alcohol off shelves 'worse than tariff'

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Post by ipython »

bediger4000 wrote: post #27
ipython wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Playing the thought experiment: If you truly annex Canada and those 40m people have voting rights, I don’t see a bright future for the Republican Party. Given proportional representation, they’ll have a voting bloc bigger than California and their politics do not align with the current state of the republicans.

Trump has always said "51st state", so all Canadian provinces would have a few Representatives and 2 senators. The number of electoral votes is sacred, as is the number of senators and representatives. Adding Canada as 1 state wouldn't really change national politics. Yes, I'm glossing over Quebec.

The total number of electoral votes isn't fixed, and in fact has changed dramatically over the years. Additionally, the number of electors (electoral votes) per state is determined by the Census. "A state's number of electors equals the number of representatives plus two electors for the senators the state has in the United States Congress."

You can see a table of the number of electors per state, and how that changed over time, here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_Colleg....

Re: Jack Daniel's says Canada pulling US alcohol off shelves 'worse than tariff'

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

_zetk wrote: post #23
tfandango wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember we are imposing the tariffs on an emergency basis because of fentanyl crossing the border. Even though everyone, even our mastermind president can't even play along with his own rouse; saying things like he wants manufacturing to move to the US or Canada becoming state 51 to avoid tariffs. There are no more rules anymore.

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The legal justification is the story about the border. From an explainer article:

> Part of the reason Trump could impose the tariffs so quickly is because the White House is invoking a sweeping national security law to justify the new levies.

> Until now, the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, IEEPA, had been used mainly to impose emergency sanctions on foreign dictators or suspected terrorist groups.

> But the Trump administration argues that the illicit global fentanyl trade and immigrants at the Mexican border both qualify as "unusual and extraordinary" foreign threats to American national security, justifying Trump's use of emergency powers under IEEPA.

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