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Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

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Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

#21
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If US allows these cheap electric cars for at least 2-3 years, I would say it would be great for everybody except car companies and Elon.

Unfortunately, the US would rather subject its consumers to legacy auto and Tesla prices and lack of competition vs enabling imports to drive down domestic prices to improve affordability. Poor policy is unfortunate.

Did you figure out importing BYD vehicles?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39992428

Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

#22

If this graph is the evidence for "Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked" isn't it also the evidence proving "global car sales have peaked"?

This graph shows 2023 only.

Even in 2024 there were still some production issues coming out of the covid years. 2023 had lots of issues.

So it's unclear what's actually going to happen, if normal markets resume.

(At least in North America, the car manufacturing market will go bananas soon with new tariffs)

Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

#24
post #5

What's strange to me is according to the graph it's not just combustion engine cars that peaked, cars overall more or less did too, in the graph. Are trucks like the F150 not being captured by this data? How literal is "cars"?

This graph shows covid years, and it was hard to buy new due to shortages and shutdowns, and supply chain issues.

Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

#25
I have an EV (Kia Niro EV 2024). I don't want ever to go back to gas.

Reasons:

* the driving experience is just much, much better: punch & acceleration, stability, quietness, etc.

* if you charge at home it is a lot cheaper than gas

* it is so easy to "fuel": you plug it in when you arrive home and unplug the next morning

Edit: also, after I installed solar cells at home, I drive almost for free!

Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

#26

If this graph is the evidence for "Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked" isn't it also the evidence proving "global car sales have peaked"?

I doubt total sales have peaked. Economic growth and population growth will likely keep that going up.

But EVs are eating enough market share that combustion cars are likely never climbing past their peak again.

Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

#27
post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nonsense, China's future is looking brighter by the day!

But I repeat myself, apologies to Twain Downhill = good, momentum is unstoppable, nothing stops the electrification transition, we’re simply arguing time horizon now; China will be the clean energy and mobility manufacturer to the world. (50% of car sales in China in 2024 were battery electric or plug in hybrid)

I feel most people still don't realize that China is facing a demographic crisis. If their demographics matched the United States sure, but its unlikely china will be leading many of these future technological situations. Don't take me the wrong way, they have a great opportunity in front of them but just the resources required to take care of their elderly is going to suck up a pretty hefty amount of resources.

Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

#28
post #22

If this graph is the evidence for "Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked" isn't it also the evidence proving "global car sales have peaked"?

This graph shows 2023 only. Even in 2024 there were still some production issues coming out of the covid years. 2023 had lots of issues. So it's unclear what's actually going to happen, if normal markets resume. (At least in North America, the car manufacturing market will go bananas soon with new tariffs)

Presumably 2024 will also be bad due to interest rates. But, of course, that doesn't say anything about "real" demand.

Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

#29

I have an EV (Kia Niro EV 2024). I don't want ever to go back to gas. Reasons: * the driving experience is just much, much better: punch & acceleration, stability, quietness, etc. * if you charge at home it is a lot cheaper than gas * it is so easy to "fuel": you plug it in when you arrive home and unplug the next morning Edit: also, after I installed solar cells at home, I drive almost for free!

Also, if you get into an EV now, before everyone else does, you can still enjoy a cheap fueling experience for a little while longer

Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

#30
post #23

Even in cities that are pretty hostile to bikes, electric bikes/scooters are an amazing middle point between walking and all the expense of a car (purchase, loans, fuel, maintenance, insurance, registration, tickets, etc.).

I want an electric bike but I want to go places with it and I’m worried about it getting stolen when I lock it up outside a shop. Do you have one?
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