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Lawrence of Arabia, Paul Atreides, and the roots of Frank Herbert's Dune (2021)

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Re: Lawrence of Arabia, Paul Atreides, and the roots of Frank Herbert's Dune (2021)

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The article makes reference to Tim O'Reilly's excellent Frank Herbert . That book is well worth reading by anybody who wants to better understand Frank Herbert, and is available for free at https://www.oreilly.com/tim/herbert/ .

Thanks for that. Some of Dune books read more like political science really...extraordinary body of work

Re: Lawrence of Arabia, Paul Atreides, and the roots of Frank Herbert's Dune (2021)

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The parallels with Lawrence are obvious, but I find that the character of Paul Atreides follows some older models as well. Towards the end of the first book of Dune he has become an almost mythical figure, a Moses using his divine insight to lead his people to freedom, or a Mohammed throwing them into a global war of conquest. That ambiguity is perhaps the book's greatest achievement: Paul's actions are only justifia…

That's what makes the rest of the series so fun!

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I have to ask does anyone know why the site asks "Are you between 13 and 15 years old?"

Rather odd both the question and the specificity.. Would this not be the same as asking; "Are you 14 years old?"

Not to mention I almost clicked "Yes" thinking it was asking the more common "Are you at least this many years or older?"

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There’s even a part at the beginning of Lawrence of Arabia film where he puts out a match with his fingers, and throughout, Lawrence proves his ability to overcome pain. Very reminiscent of the Gom Jabar.

"The trick, William Potter, is not minding that it hurts"

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Compared with what, for god's sake? Explosions, mad Arabs, trekking across the horrible desert, dim British superiors doing the dim British thing, dubious Turkish sexual practices, etc. This is boring??? Though I must admit O'Toole does camp it up a bit too much.

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Samuel Butler's 1872 "Erewhon" fiction book which features a society which banned all complex machines because of a prior machine intelligence uprising is the direct, and directly referenced, inspiration for the "Butlerian Jihad" in the Dune book series.

Re: Lawrence of Arabia, Paul Atreides, and the roots of Frank Herbert's Dune (2021)

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When I finally got around to reading Seven Pillars , I wasn't too far in before I was convinced Herbert had the book on his desk the whole time he was writing Dune . So many minor similarities, little scenes that don't quite match up but if you squint they do. Even the arc toward eventually committing war crimes, while seeking some great end for the people he's leading, feels like a connection. But also little stuff…

Related Herbert audio interview on the origins of Dune. Sorry it’s a YouTube link. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A-mLVVJkH7I
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