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Can you please say more. Curious to learn more about this
https://tilde.team/~ben/suckmore/
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Permacomputing
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Re: Permacomputing
#22The best way in to permacomputing, imo, continues to be: Get an old used Thinkpad. Put Linux or one of the BSDs on it. Use low-resource options: LDXE, i3wm. Go about your business driving this thing however you want to. Learn to live within its limits. This is truly the computer as bicycle for the mind.
Nowadays I only purchase used mobile workstations. I can get a 32GB Dell under 700 CAD including tax and delivery. It was really a deal. New laptops are so expensive and unreliable that they might actually break down sonner than my used ones...
If I get a new non mac laptop I max out the warranties and accidental damage. Top service level. Then consider that real OG price. Without those extras you have a brick-in-waiting.
Re: Permacomputing
#23From the text in the link below, it appears that permacomputing is primarily concerned about lowering how much energy you use on tech, and refurbish and reuse old technology. https://permacomputing.net/getting_started/
While that is emphasized, I don't think that really captures it. The idea is to apply permaculture to computation, as has been done with industrial agriculture. Permaculture is in the first place an ethical or even utopian project, and I'd characterize it as a counter-culture. You can see this reflected in how permacomputing defines itself in opposition to silicon valley: there's a whole page on what they think is wr…
> how does a design decision today, impact the future of 7 generation down the line?
There is literally a) no way to answer that, and b) it probably doesn't even matter. For instance, in 1850 (which is roughly 7 generations ago), the Austrian Empire abolished the customs and tariffs between its Hungarian and Ausrtian pieces. How does it impact us today?
Re: Permacomputing
#24The best way in to permacomputing, imo, continues to be: Get an old used Thinkpad. Put Linux or one of the BSDs on it. Use low-resource options: LDXE, i3wm. Go about your business driving this thing however you want to. Learn to live within its limits. This is truly the computer as bicycle for the mind.
If you like staying in a post-soviet hostel, that's perfect.
I rather like something comfortable these days, so I'll stick with my M1 MacBook Pro. The creature comforts genuinely make my life better so I'm willing to pay for them.
Re: Permacomputing
#25The best way in to permacomputing, imo, continues to be: Get an old used Thinkpad. Put Linux or one of the BSDs on it. Use low-resource options: LDXE, i3wm. Go about your business driving this thing however you want to. Learn to live within its limits. This is truly the computer as bicycle for the mind.
Any older business class laptop really. I have an two older Laptops. One is a Dell 6410. The former has Debian on it with Gnome and I've stuck 8Gb of ram on the machine, slapped in an SSD. The machine is 14 years old and it can reasonably handle browsing, mail, Youtube, Discord and VSCode. Gnome actually performs better than XFCE or any of the light-weight DE as long as I am using Wayland.
Yes, I use a (librebooted) Dell Latitude e6220 with 8Gb RAM and a 275Gb SSD when travelling, great apart from the low resolution screen.
Re: Permacomputing
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you please say more. Curious to learn more about this
As far as I know: https://tilde.team/~ben/suckmore/ But, as someone who also didn't know about the drama before last week or something, I never really liked suckless anyway. It always felt like the same pretensions minimalist movement you see in other field. Yeah it is very easy to make something with barely any feature work well and be tiny. Now try to do the same with something I actually want to use.
I kinda agree but it’s easier to apply a few extensions to something barebones than trying to make something bloated fast or make it behave less “smart”.
I have a slightly patched build for dwm and st for a few necessary features and that works better for me than most alternatives and it just works. Also when it comes to input latency on Linux, st is still on top. The modern GPU accelerated terminals focus on throughput which I couldn’t care less about.
Re: Permacomputing
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nowadays I only purchase used mobile workstations. I can get a 32GB Dell under 700 CAD including tax and delivery. It was really a deal. New laptops are so expensive and unreliable that they might actually break down sonner than my used ones...
If I get a new non mac laptop I max out the warranties and accidental damage. Top service level. Then consider that real OG price. Without those extras you have a brick-in-waiting.
It's gonna be more expensive though. Might as well go with a Mac...
Re: Permacomputing
#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
Any older business class laptop really. I have an two older Laptops. One is a Dell 6410. The former has Debian on it with Gnome and I've stuck 8Gb of ram on the machine, slapped in an SSD. The machine is 14 years old and it can reasonably handle browsing, mail, Youtube, Discord and VSCode. Gnome actually performs better than XFCE or any of the light-weight DE as long as I am using Wayland.
Yes, I use a (librebooted) Dell Latitude e6220 with 8Gb RAM and a 275Gb SSD when travelling, great apart from the low resolution screen.
I did look at getting a 1080p screen for it. I am pretty sure I could fit one but the price was prohibitive.
Re: Permacomputing
#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you please say more. Curious to learn more about this
https://tilde.team/~ben/suckmore/
Half those links are broken, the other half about the accusation that they’re nazis because they do torchlight marches, and inbetween a wiki article about a "Unite the Right rally" that contains zero mentions of suckless and seems a bit out of place.
Is there anything more concrete?
Re: Permacomputing
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Nowadays I only purchase used mobile workstations. I can get a 32GB Dell under 700 CAD including tax and delivery. It was really a deal. New laptops are so expensive and unreliable that they might actually break down sonner than my used ones...
If I get a new non mac laptop I max out the warranties and accidental damage. Top service level. Then consider that real OG price. Without those extras you have a brick-in-waiting.
Contrary to popular belief the Dell and Thinkpads are really reliable as long as you buy their business laptops. The consumer laptops are often not great, but the business ones are rock solid, easy to repair and built like bricks.
You can also repair them yourself, so most people just wait until business update their inventory and you can get a cheap Dell/Thinkpad from ebay for a few hundred. I have a T480s, 24GB of Ram and a 8th Gen i7 processor that I picked up for £300. Granted the laptop is old now, but it runs all my dev software well.