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Re: I'm done with coding

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post #9

His mom telling him he's "neurodivergent and won’t survive at a smaller company"... unfortunately I am familiar with this type of mother.

I'm neurodivergent and working at a small company lead to me being the CTO and forcing myself to understand (and operate successfully with in) the social and political aspects of business for the first time.

Re: I'm done with coding

#23
post #14

I once worked for a start-up that perpetuated inflated social status symbols in a way I found repugnant. Transitioning to an academic non-profit environment was the best career decision I could have made for my mental health. Less money, yes. Less stress and self-loathing, absolutely and entirely worth it for me.

i once worked for a startup that called me a monkey sadly that was the last time i did python

how did you switch if you don't mind me asking? if someone is very unsocial has no network is it doable

Re: I'm done with coding

#24
What a cynical view. You can switch jobs! Nothing is going to force you to work on surveillance software! I spent nearly a decade working on Salesforce. It’s not even on my resume and you couldn’t pay me to do it!

Re: I'm done with coding

#25
This hits very close to home and I'm very glad to see I am (and you are) not alone. Thank you for writing it.

I'm currently in the process of leaving my "big tech" job. While I won't name my company, it is somewhat similar in some ways -- though ethics isn't my primary reason.

> I’ve decided that in the shitty job market, it’s not worth being a software engineer even if I make much less.

is a thought that has run through my head countless times over the past year, and when I finally gave my notice

>she kept telling me how “lucky” I am for working at Microsoft saying “it’s big tech” and “you’re neurodivergent” and “you won’t survive at a smaller company.”

was the loudest thing I heard, over and over again.

Best of luck with Fourplex.

Re: I'm done with coding

#26
I don't know you, but it sounds like you have principles you stand for and that's rare. If you have a talent for something that can do good in the world it's worth pursuing. I'd take a break and find a place that aligns with your values. Best of luck.

Re: I'm done with coding

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post #19

Yeah surveillance never works, at least not in the long term. Either people like what they work on or they don't, and adding a layer of corporate hypocrisy, where you need to pretend to be excited about every single tiny change, does not help. Some products are just boring and I can't fathom how some people get excited about it. The cynic in me tells me everyone is faking it, and that is soul crushing to think about.…

But if it pays the bills such that your kids can eat for another day and that your family have a roof over their heads, wouldn't it be worth it?

I don't see any other FAANG level jobs that do not do surveillance in some way or are 100% ethical, as the author wants.

He said it himself, it is a "shitty job market" so surely not everyone in the job market will be paying over 6 figures and be 100% ethical with no surveillance.

Sure, you can build your own startup without surveillance and that is fine, but the compromise is a pay cut and if you have family, rent and children, it would be hard to explain to them why you left your 6 figure job, because "privacy" and "the woes of surveillance capitalism".

Re: I'm done with coding

#28
post #12

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As a wise man once said, "drunk driving may kill a lot of people, but it also helps a lot of people get to work on time, so, it;s impossible to say if its bad or not,"

And you do not, under any circumstances, "gotta hand it to them".

(highly relevant @dril quotes, for those out of the loop)

Re: I'm done with coding

#29

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I challenge you to rewrite this so that you're making a strong, optimistic argument for surveillance from your perspective, instead of shitting on a young person for trying to navigate a path through legitimately complex tradeoffs.

The onus is on you to make a thought-provoking case, not for them to convince you that their internal ethical alarm bells are reasonable.

Re: I'm done with coding

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post #13

> I’ve tried to discuss this with my mom, and she kept telling me how “lucky” I am for working at Microsoft... I don't think I worked on any unethical part of Apple, I just worked on the indexing and caching for iTunes, but I really hated working there, and it was frustrating that whenever I complained about it, people would remind me how lucky I was to have a job at Apple. I survived 2.5 years there, but eventually…

Could you explain why you hated working there

They said they worked on indexing and caching.
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