Any reason why this is on the front page today? Is there some context for why this is interesting now?
Because it's very contradictory to Google's current stance (we can do whatever we want with your data)
Google does not want rights to things you do using Chrome (2008)
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Re: Google does not want rights to things you do using Chrome (2008)
#22This sort of agreement keeps on popping up. Again and again. The most forgiving reading of the intent of this sort of agreement is that "it is the basic function of a web browser to transfer your stuff across the internet, and it is the basic function of a website to do stuff like make thumbnails of your images and send them to people looking at your stuff, and you are cool with us doing this" but it always ends up b…
I worked at deviantArt back in the early 2010s, they notably had a user agreement that did not claim any rights more than necessary, and it was revocable by the user without jumping through hoops. So it's not necessary to do things this way, companies do it intentionally because they don't care about the rights of their users.
Re: Google does not want rights to things you do using Chrome (2008)
#23if I use a pencil, I don't need to sign an absurd grant giving the company that made the pencil worldwide royalty free rights to use anything I create using it
the legal entity that made the pencil is not involved in this process, and does not need to be
correspondingly, Mozilla, the legal entity is not involved when I use their tool to submit a form on a third party website
so there is some other motive for suddenly requiring this
my bet: ads, tracking, and selling my output to the AI slop generating companies
(IANAL)
Re: Google does not want rights to things you do using Chrome (2008)
#24Looks like this article might need a new "Updated" entry because current chrome ToS points to generic : https://policies.google.com/terms
To keep things simple (for them) they get rights to everything :(
Re: Google does not want rights to things you do using Chrome (2008)
#25They absolutely do want all the rights, they just got caught and have changed it "for now". They're modeling it after the music cartels.
Can you say Mozilla?
Shoot 'em all in the back!
Re: Google does not want rights to things you do using Chrome (2008)
#26Is this still the case?
No, the generic Google ToS (https://policies.google.com/terms) now apply universally and grant this kind of access.
Re: Google does not want rights to things you do using Chrome (2008)
#27>2008
Back when google wasn’t evil, did cool shit, and had a functional search engine.
Re: Google does not want rights to things you do using Chrome (2008)
#28This sort of agreement keeps on popping up. Again and again. The most forgiving reading of the intent of this sort of agreement is that "it is the basic function of a web browser to transfer your stuff across the internet, and it is the basic function of a website to do stuff like make thumbnails of your images and send them to people looking at your stuff, and you are cool with us doing this" but it always ends up b…
Mozilla doesn't need a "license" to everything you transmit over the internet in order for Firefox to facilitate transmitting it over the internet. In fact, Mozilla should never be able to touch things I transmit over the internet using Firefox. They only need a "license" if they are planning on wiretapping me and they want it to be legal.
Re: Google does not want rights to things you do using Chrome (2008)
#29This sort of agreement keeps on popping up. Again and again. The most forgiving reading of the intent of this sort of agreement is that "it is the basic function of a web browser to transfer your stuff across the internet, and it is the basic function of a website to do stuff like make thumbnails of your images and send them to people looking at your stuff, and you are cool with us doing this" but it always ends up b…
I worked at deviantArt back in the early 2010s, they notably had a user agreement that did not claim any rights more than necessary, and it was revocable by the user without jumping through hoops. So it's not necessary to do things this way, companies do it intentionally because they don't care about the rights of their users.
The corollary to this is that companies do this because they are incentivised to do so by their very fundamental goal - to make profit. Whatever pressure that does not lead to a loss on the quarterly report is, in practice, no pressure at all. If we truly want these predatory practices to stop, we have to start promoting different incentives, different priorities, and by 'we' I really mean 'each and every one of us collectively'.
Re: Google does not want rights to things you do using Chrome (2008)
#30Interesting how things have changed in the past 17 years! Google of today, would rather own one's thoughts if they could, let alone things we write in their address bar.
> would rather own one's thoughts if they could
This is actually probably coming at some point in the not so distant future:
https://www.preposterousuniverse.com/podcast/2023/03/13/229-...