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Re: Craigslist now asks for exclusive license when posting

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What's up with their recent change in behavior? Craig's public statements are basically, "Hey, I'm just a customer service guy; talk to the CEO." And as far as I've seen, the CEO has stayed quiet.

If they're worried about losing relevancy to innovators, why not try innovating rather than legal maneuvering?

Re: Craigslist now asks for exclusive license when posting

#22

Nice, you take the time to craft your listing on craigslist and now you've lost the right to repost your listing ANYWHERE else. I think we can safely assume that craigslist has a monopoly in (free) online classifieds and this reeks of very anti-competitive behavior. Wonder what the DOJ thinks of this.

This is a bit knee-jerk, no? I highly doubt you waive the right to repost your listing ANYWHERE; rather, this is legalese allowing them to sue anyone using their listings without consent.

Read the text. Exclusive license. That means you may not license your post to any other site; giving someone else permission to display your listing is a grant of a license, and such a license is explicitly mentioned in the terms of any UGC site, including Craigslist. The difference is those other terms always say NON-exclusive. Go ahead and stop by YouTube and do a search for the word.

This isn't boilerplate legalese.

Re: Craigslist now asks for exclusive license when posting

#23

Nice, you take the time to craft your listing on craigslist and now you've lost the right to repost your listing ANYWHERE else. I think we can safely assume that craigslist has a monopoly in (free) online classifieds and this reeks of very anti-competitive behavior. Wonder what the DOJ thinks of this.

This is a bit knee-jerk, no? I highly doubt you waive the right to repost your listing ANYWHERE; rather, this is legalese allowing them to sue anyone using their listings without consent.

"Exclusive licensee" is exactly what it says -- you agree not to use the same content anywhere else.

Re: Craigslist now asks for exclusive license when posting

#24

Nice, you take the time to craft your listing on craigslist and now you've lost the right to repost your listing ANYWHERE else. I think we can safely assume that craigslist has a monopoly in (free) online classifieds and this reeks of very anti-competitive behavior. Wonder what the DOJ thinks of this.

This is a bit knee-jerk, no? I highly doubt you waive the right to repost your listing ANYWHERE; rather, this is legalese allowing them to sue anyone using their listings without consent.

Whatever the agenda behind pushing this might be, the "legalese" has real implications IRL. You don't own the content of your listings anymore if you post on craigslist - so you're going to be liable if you're going to use any of the content elsewhere (including pictures).

Re: Craigslist now asks for exclusive license when posting

#25
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, in Germany you cannot give up or transfer copyright to someone else.

How does that work? If I write a book and then sell it to a book publisher and want to transfer all rights and copyrights? I can't?

I would be surprised if an author really wanted to do such a thing. The authors I know would be livid if a publisher, say, changed the ending. Publishers typically get the right to publish, and that's it. Opening a few books from my library randomly, the authors or their heirs all hold the copyright.

Re: Craigslist now asks for exclusive license when posting

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post #12

From Wikipedia: "In December 2006, at the UBS Global Media Conference in New York, Craigslist CEO Jim Buckmaster told Wall Street analysts that Craigslist has little interest in maximizing profit, instead it prefers to help users find cars, apartments, jobs, and dates."

There's a big gap between "little interest in maximizing profit" and "little interest in fending off existential threats," no?

No. Either your first priority is delivering value to your users or it's not. Craigslist has changed from one to the other.

Padmapper isn't the existential threat. It's CL's failure to keep improving.

Re: Craigslist now asks for exclusive license when posting

#27

Nice, you take the time to craft your listing on craigslist and now you've lost the right to repost your listing ANYWHERE else. I think we can safely assume that craigslist has a monopoly in (free) online classifieds and this reeks of very anti-competitive behavior. Wonder what the DOJ thinks of this.

This is a bit knee-jerk, no? I highly doubt you waive the right to repost your listing ANYWHERE; rather, this is legalese allowing them to sue anyone using their listings without consent.

Exclusive license means exactly what it says. You are giving Craigslist essentially full copyright ownership over your listing. The only exception is that in moral rights jurisdictions you aren't giving them moral rights.

Re: Craigslist now asks for exclusive license when posting

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post #8

Does this license mean copyright? In Germany you cannot protect facts with copyright. Something like "Flat for rent: $size m², $price €, $coordinates, $link" seems more like a fact or an idea.

Also, in Germany you cannot give up or transfer copyright to someone else.

You can transfer commercial rights to someone else, right? Just not moral rights? Or am I missing something?

Re: Craigslist now asks for exclusive license when posting

#30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does that work? If I write a book and then sell it to a book publisher and want to transfer all rights and copyrights? I can't?

There is some information here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_Germany#Transf... It looks like you can't transfer copyright but you can exclusively licence it.

It's a bit more complicated: We don't have copyright as the americans do, it's split in "Urheberrecht" which is the part the the creator owns and cannot license or sell and the "Verwertungsrecht" which is the right to use the work.

Urheberrecht encompasses thing such as the right do defend against modifications that go against the spirit of the work or the author or against defacing it, the right to be named as the creator (though this one can be waived by contract depending on the circumstance) etc. The Urheberrecht can only be transferred by inheritance.

The Verwertungsrechte is anything related to the use of the work, such as selling, buying, (sub)licensing it.

Please keep in mind that this is a gross oversimplification and IANAL. The copyright situation is complicated enough for experts in the field and cannot be explained in a short post I guess :)

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