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Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by schalkneethling »

Lio wrote: post #13
tomwphillips wrote: post #7

>You give Mozilla all rights necessary to operate Firefox, including processing data as we describe in the Firefox Privacy Notice, as well as acting on your behalf to help you navigate the internet. When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you i…

I've read that a few times now and I'm trying to decide what I think they are actually asking for. It's a bit too vague to pin down. Mozilla does not need a world wide royalty free licence to use anyone's content if the browser is just a pipe through which connect to the web. So what exactly are they going to use that licence to your content for and how long are they going to retain it? Mozilla does a lot of talking…

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Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by ykonstant »

tomwphillips wrote: post #7

>You give Mozilla all rights necessary to operate Firefox, including processing data as we describe in the Firefox Privacy Notice, as well as acting on your behalf to help you navigate the internet. When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you i…

This is bonkers, utter insanity. Read defensively (which is the only safe way to read legal text), this renders Firefox unsuitable for any sensitive communication: prima facie, accepting this means I violate FERPA when I talk to my students via email through Firefox. Most likely health professionals would violate HIPAA by using Firefox in a similar manner. Furthermore, this has to violate at least the spirit of GDPR in the EU where I am located.

What is this absolute clusterfuck? No, I do not consent to any of that. Which, if any, update, informed me of this change in policy? And how on earth do my data, and which data, pass through Mozilla's servers?

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by bwidlar »

[...] When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by sunshine-o »

worik wrote: post #15
sunshine-o wrote: post #14

The problem with Firefox is it almost impossible to sell today (compared to 10 or 20 years ago). - It doesn't have better performance or security. - If you want better privacy and ad-blocking out of the box, Brave is the way to go. - The "supporting an independent implementation" argument doesn't really resonate anymore. I am wondering if the small market share it has left on desktop (especially in Europe and Germany…

I'm sorry mate, that does not make sense I am appalled by this change, but I am not switching to Brave. Mozilla is loosing trust, Brave started with zero.

Only very few people are aware or care about the drama between Mozilla and Brave.

Most people will only trust the Data safety / Data Privacy section on the Play / App store (as they should):

- Firefox on Android: This app may share these data types with third parties: Location, Personal info and 3 others [0]

- Firefox on iOS: The following data may be collected and linked to your identity: Contact Info.

Data Not Linked to You. The following data may be collected but it is not linked to your identity: Location, Identifiers, Usage Data, Diagnostics [1]

- Brave on Android: No data shared with third parties, No data collected [2]

- Brave on iOS: No data shared with third parties, No data collected [3]

Data Not Linked to You. The following data may be collected but it is not linked to your identity: Identifiers, Usage Data [4]

It's evident, Brave collect way less data than Firefox on those platforms.

Maybe the problem of Mozilla is they feel entitled to the trust they gained when they were the open source browser against IE. But that trust erodes over time.

- [0] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.mozilla.fi...

- [1] https://apps.apple.com/us/app/firefox-private-safe-browser/

- [2] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.brave.brow...

- [3] https://apps.apple.com/us/app/brave-browser-search-engine/

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by sksrbWgbfK »

> Your use of Firefox must follow Mozilla’s Acceptable Use Policy

> [you may not] Violate the copyright, trademark, patent, or other intellectual property rights of others

In the near future they'll upload a blacklist to everyone that prevents us from accessing bad sites such as TPB. It's way worse than what we've seen before.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by goldsteinq »

ELI5: how is any of this legal? Let’s say my distro receives Firefox source code under the terms of MPL, builds it and distributes it to me under the same terms. At no point any of us agreed to any additional terms. Does this apply only to Mozilla-built binaries?

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by casenmgreen »

tomwphillips wrote: post #7

>You give Mozilla all rights necessary to operate Firefox, including processing data as we describe in the Firefox Privacy Notice, as well as acting on your behalf to help you navigate the internet. When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you i…

That looks like end of road for FF for me.

Have to see what other people (serious people) make of it, but that looks like a deal breaker. That's 100% spying on everything I do, because FF has a copy of it.

"Input information" on the face of it can be taken to mean moving the pointer, clicking, scrolling.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by mrweasel »

tomwphillips wrote: post #7

>You give Mozilla all rights necessary to operate Firefox, including processing data as we describe in the Firefox Privacy Notice, as well as acting on your behalf to help you navigate the internet. When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you i…

Can someone please explain why they'd need that? Sure, if Firefox sends the data to Mozilla, I can see why they'd might need that type of language. It's just that Firefox is a desktop application, why would it need to send my input to anyone besides the site I'm using?
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