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Re: Framework Laptop 12

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Post by abdullahkhalids »

sangeeth96 wrote: post #4

I'm happy to see Framework going after different laptop/PC segments and trying to break the long cycle of terrible products/cash-grab from all the big manufacturers in the Windows/PC market. I hope everyone eventually has a choice to go for one of these vs. whatever crap Dell/Acer/HP barfs out every year. I've given up hopes of someone making truly exceptional products for Windows/Linux the way Macs/MacBooks get buil…

What do you think framework is missing hardware wise?

Software wise they can't do much except ensure that their hardware has all the necessary drivers in the Windows and Linux kernels.

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Post by bitbasher »

Ulysseswho1 wrote: post #15
bitbasher wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should I wait? If I can't access the site to make a buying decision, imagine if I had a technical issue or needed support? Am I supposed to wait every time? No thanks.

This is not a standard issue. They just had a large event, so a lot more people are trying to use the site relative to their standard visitor count. Traffic will probably be back down to standard levels in the next few hours, if you're able to wait that long without having a heart attack.

I lost interest, but it looks like nothing has changed. Pretty sad for a likely static page.

Re: Framework Laptop 12

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Post by 0x38B »

kombine wrote: post #19

I just wish Framework Laptop 16 wasn't as bulky. I already have a 14" laptop and looking for a larger screen size because coding on 14" screen is limiting, I can barely squeeze 2 code windows in a vertical split. I would also like to have a local GPU with Pytorch support which I'm not sure I can get with the available Radeon RX 7700s.

Agree about the bulk; I’m on my second Framework 13 and when I pick up my brother’s 16 with graphics module I’m struck by the weight and size; indeed, he has had trouble fitting it into some small to mid-size backpacks.

Re: Framework Laptop 12

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Post by sangeeth96 »

abdullahkhalids wrote: post #21
sangeeth96 wrote: post #4

I'm happy to see Framework going after different laptop/PC segments and trying to break the long cycle of terrible products/cash-grab from all the big manufacturers in the Windows/PC market. I hope everyone eventually has a choice to go for one of these vs. whatever crap Dell/Acer/HP barfs out every year. I've given up hopes of someone making truly exceptional products for Windows/Linux the way Macs/MacBooks get buil…

What do you think framework is missing hardware wise? Software wise they can't do much except ensure that their hardware has all the necessary drivers in the Windows and Linux kernels.

> What do you think framework is missing hardware wise?

Compared to MacBooks, there's the sheer build quality of not just the whole package, but each and every component. Ever since Apple Silicon, the MacBooks IMO are on a league of their own. My M1 Air is still my most favorite laptop to date and the newer MacBooks define what a "laptop" should be. I realize that Framework's goal makes them approach it from reliability/repairability/upgradeability standpoint but I do hope those laptops converge to the point of having just enough perf, quality and looks to make me want to completely jump ship again.

> Software wise they can't do much

I'd like to hope they think otherwise. I still think there's a big gap on the OS market where h/w+s/w wins can be realized together. Somewhere in between macOS and Linux and just the right bits from Windows. Unfortunately, I don't see anyone attempting to make that happen in meaningful ways. Framework could very well try to do that at some point but not holding out hopes given their current goals.

Re: Framework Laptop 12

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Post by d3Xt3r »

Unfortunately the biggest problem with Framework is that that don't ship worldwide. I've been waiting for four years to buy their machines now and I'm getting tired of it. Normally I'd just buy a ThinkPad, but Lenovo still don't have any of the new AMD AI 300 series APUs. :(

Re: Framework Laptop 12

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Post by abdullahkhalids »

sangeeth96 wrote: post #24
abdullahkhalids wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you think framework is missing hardware wise? Software wise they can't do much except ensure that their hardware has all the necessary drivers in the Windows and Linux kernels.

> What do you think framework is missing hardware wise? Compared to MacBooks, there's the sheer build quality of not just the whole package, but each and every component. Ever since Apple Silicon, the MacBooks IMO are on a league of their own. My M1 Air is still my most favorite laptop to date and the newer MacBooks define what a "laptop" should be. I realize that Framework's goal makes them approach it from reliabil…

I think you are asking for tradeoffs in hardware that don't exist. A user repairable laptop necessarily has to have screws, wide bezels, visible hinges, and a somewhat thick body, which prevents it from having Apple product's clean and thin look. But there is a audience for that. Lots of people like that look, just as many people like the exposed brick aesthetic.

In terms of software UI and cleanliness, it's unlikely anything can happen till Framework is a many billion dollar company that can hire hundreds/thousands of SWEs to fix linux. That's what Apple does and succeeds (and Microsoft does and fails).

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