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'The tyranny of apps': those without smartphones are unfairly penalised

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Re: 'The tyranny of apps': those without smartphones are unfairly penalised

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> He does own a smartphone – an Apple iPhone he bought secondhand about three years ago – but says: “I don’t use apps at all. I don’t download them for security reasons.” Yes and? He makes a choice and he is being penalized for it. Presumably the benefits for him outweigh the costs. For Richard Stallman they do. There is no innate human right to grocery store coupons or private parking lots.

The parking lots mentioned are municipal not private.

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Do you consider “going to your GP” a minor area of life, on par with rewards programs? Because if you can only pay for parking or buy bus tickets with an app, I’m not sure how most people get to their GP.

Re: 'The tyranny of apps': those without smartphones are unfairly penalised

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the pen collected location information continuously and sent it to a insecure cloud endpoint, and sent me spammy notifications every day, then probably I would.

If it does you aren't forced to use it. You can ignore the service or use a different service. That's the point. Apps give discounts and there is a tradeoff. We can't demand similar benefits without paying the same price.

It's not always your choice. In my country, you're basically cut off from banking services if you don't own a smartphone. I lived without one for years and had to give in a couple of years ago (second hand but perfectly usable — thanks to LineageOS).

The pain was self-inflicted in my case, but some people simply don't have money for one (as there are lots of people living on 200-250 USD per month or even less — they have nothing left at the end of the month).

Re: 'The tyranny of apps': those without smartphones are unfairly penalised

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My brother doesn't have à smartphone (by choice). For example, he cannot access his bank account via his desktop anymore. He have to go to his agency in person. Well we all did that for years so it's just annoying, because he still have the possibility to do it and it's his choice. But what will happen if all the brick and mortar close ? When will it be mandatory to get a smartphone for his bank app, just to have acc…

Where is this bank? Are there not other banks that do allow access via branches or online?

Re: 'The tyranny of apps': those without smartphones are unfairly penalised

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? It's a tool. Do you complain when the bank requires you to sign something with a pen? We require computers today for many things. Why not force websites to provide phone service with exactly the same pricing. Guess what the effect will be? Higher prices. The same is true with apps, some things make no financial sense without them.

If the pen collected location information continuously and sent it to a insecure cloud endpoint, and sent me spammy notifications every day, then probably I would.

If the pen was somehow of financial benefit to the bank, and I didn't benefit, and they won't let me use a different pen, I'd still resent it. No, I don't want to jump through a hoop to make your business some extra money.

Re: 'The tyranny of apps': those without smartphones are unfairly penalised

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My brother doesn't have à smartphone (by choice). For example, he cannot access his bank account via his desktop anymore. He have to go to his agency in person. Well we all did that for years so it's just annoying, because he still have the possibility to do it and it's his choice. But what will happen if all the brick and mortar close ? When will it be mandatory to get a smartphone for his bank app, just to have acc…

The solution is that banks should support any TOTP client for authentication and not just their proprietary app. So you can use open source software or a hardware key.

Re: 'The tyranny of apps': those without smartphones are unfairly penalised

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People are writing this off, but it eventually becomes impossible not to own a smartphone; an expensive device, with an expensive monthly plan, and an absolutely terrible privacy record. Eventually more businesses will require smartphone usage just to use their services. There could even be a time when government services require it.

Re: 'The tyranny of apps': those without smartphones are unfairly penalised

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the pen collected location information continuously and sent it to a insecure cloud endpoint, and sent me spammy notifications every day, then probably I would.

If it does you aren't forced to use it. You can ignore the service or use a different service. That's the point. Apps give discounts and there is a tradeoff. We can't demand similar benefits without paying the same price.

Do apps give discounts, or are prices raised while refuseniks are punished? It's all relative.
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