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The Profitable Startup

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Re: The Profitable Startup

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If all you're doing is building a project management app, yeah it's easy to be profitable.

The trick is when you're trying to take risks and innovate. It took Amazon a long time to be profitable. It took Uber a long time to be profitable. It took Facebook a long time to be profitable.

When it's a land grab - when you're racing against other companies in a new market like AI - you need to burn money fast to run fast. Can't take a year in private beta.

Re: The Profitable Startup

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I forget exactly who said it but somebody said something along the lines of “venture capital is rocket fuel, unless you have a rocket it will only blow up your engine. Have a Bugatti Veyron? It will blow up your engine.” This is also something DHH has been saying for years. However, I think it is more true now than ever. With how easy it is to start and scale a software company I really struggle to understand the jus…

You probably know answer and just hyperboling here, but there are plenty of reasons to raise as a startup. Even in pure software. Most obvious one is you’re building something actually technically challenging and need to grow your team to get there. People, especially great people, are bloody expensive. No way to afford any reasonable headcount as a 22yo first time founder without venture money. Of course, simple ide…

You could have customers commit money upfront. You could do it slowly with a reduced headcount. You could raise money, but not from VCs. You could have a solutions/consulting team that brings in the bucks while financing product development.

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A great piece of advice from Linear. Even in this flourishing AI landscape, every startup should avoid being overly speculative about resource mgmt. Linear raised from YC and Sequoia though. I'd love to learn more about how they balanced their burn rate

No, not in the AI space. Disagree that you can be successful by avoiding risk and conserving resources.

Re: The Profitable Startup

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While I love companies that become profitable early and grow at a rate that allows them to continue being profitable ... it becomes an issue with investors. Linear has raised over $50M+ (at $400MM valuation) You just can't grow fast enough while being profitable - to grow into & surpass that kind of valuation ... in a timeframe ok that's for your investors. https://tracxn.com/d/companies/linear/__xC97n-jdX7VZjDBpNyRf…

It is great for founders, and not so nice for VC investors, and Karri seems comically oblivious to that fact.

He's not oblivious to this and the answer lies in "Raise on Your Own Terms" section.

Linear raised its A during the 2020-2021 frenzy and its Series B when every VC was telling their portfolio companies to reduce burn and get a 4-5 year runway. They created a profitable business in between.

They get to do every single thing exactly how they want to until they raise again (if they ever do).

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If all you're doing is building a project management app, yeah it's easy to be profitable. The trick is when you're trying to take risks and innovate. It took Amazon a long time to be profitable. It took Uber a long time to be profitable. It took Facebook a long time to be profitable. When it's a land grab - when you're racing against other companies in a new market like AI - you need to burn money fast to run fast.…

You could dismiss almost any company as "if all you're doing is building an X app...". It's a no-true-Scotsman argument.

Even setting that aside, not everything is or should be a land grab. It's notable that all the examples you provided — Amazon (at least, its initial online store product), Uber, Facebook — are all B2C plays and I don't think that's a coincidence.

Re: The Profitable Startup

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Alot of startups arent profitable because they are ran by people that have prestigious pedigrees, but dont know what theyre doing/have no experience. So they blow all kinds of money on bad ideas/poor execution, but are still able to raise more funding. Eventually for some of these companies something clicks, and they do get to something of a valuable company. This is what ZIRP was. Alot of people dont know that inves…

It's bigger and wider than that. Throughout the 1990s people didn't care what anything cost on the web because they figured the money would work out someday. There was the 2000s crash but the success of Amazon, Google and such proved that the web was a great idea. The story of social media was that there was a narrow time window and a single place (other than, recently, China) where investors were willing to take a c…

Yeah there's a few winners they are hoping for. So they pattern match, Jeff Bezos went to Princeton and worked at hedge funds, so lets fund everyone that looks like that.

Turns out a bunch of those people are actually lemons, so they run a bunch of unprofitable startups.

There's two things going on:

1. Long term risky bets that could pay off massive

2. Who is the person they choose to try and execute on the above

Re: The Profitable Startup

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Karri from Linear here.

I wrote this to challenge the common dichotomy that startups are either VC-backed money-burning machines or anti-VC/profitably bootstrapped. It doesn’t have to be that binary. There’s a spectrum, a middle ground. You can retain control by being profitable while still using funding as leverage or as a safety net if things don’t go as planned.

One of the paradoxes of fundraising is that it’s easiest when you don’t need the money—and almost impossible when you do. By keeping the company mostly profitable, you never have to need it, giving you full control over timing and the ability to choose the right deal. But having that funding can enable you some more leverage or add more risk business you could afford while being bootstrapped. In our case we raised the funding for the conservative case, but the reality turned much better than expected.

Another misconception is that sustainable growth comes from spending or hiring. In reality, many great products take off first and because they take off, any amount of hiring becomes justified. Some of these companies are even profitable before they go on a hiring spree. The problem is that the typical approach isn’t nuanced or intentional enough. You might decide to hire 100 engineers before knowing how the next 10 engineers impact your trajectory. If you cut the hiring plan in half—or even to a quarter—it might not affect growth at all. But there’s often an assumption that growing the team is also good, and maybe it comes from a time in the 90s or something when you had hire people to man the phones to take orders.

What I believe is that startup’s growth is primarily driven by product superiority and market fit, not just by headcount or marketing spend. Those things can amplify success, and in some cases, they can even mask a bad market fit through sheer force of sales and marketing.

A less cynical take on VCs is that they’re not necessarily pushing companies to burn cash they just want founders to double down when they see a company working. But whether you can truly scale depends on your market dynamics. Sometimes, you need time to learn or to land the right deals in a segment before pouring money into growth.

The problem is that the current thinking is often too simplistic. Since you're startup and have cash, the spending more is always the right move. Going all the way 100 when you could dial it down to 50 or 30 and regain control and de-risk the changes of complete flare out.

Re: The Profitable Startup

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Good article but it doesn't fit in with American thinking. In search of a unicorn. The only very visible company in the United States I can remember following the profitability and measured growth path was 37signals. Even they have occasionally wandered way off course, with multiple products, and neglecting the main product (long discussion). I agree with you. This philosophy of profitable growth makes me interested in Linear as a potential customer. There's less risk of you closing your doors or just selling your smaller users out.

Re: The Profitable Startup

#29

While I love companies that become profitable early and grow at a rate that allows them to continue being profitable ... it becomes an issue with investors. Linear has raised over $50M+ (at $400MM valuation) You just can't grow fast enough while being profitable - to grow into & surpass that kind of valuation ... in a timeframe ok that's for your investors. https://tracxn.com/d/companies/linear/__xC97n-jdX7VZjDBpNyRf…

> While I love companies that become profitable early and grow at a rate that allows them to continue being profitable ... it becomes an issue with investors.

You know what? Good, and hopefully Linear sets the example instead of the others just running back to VCs again for another top-up.

Once you have shown that you're profitable, then you don't need them. The moment you do, you're always having to cede control and be at their mercy after raising and burning ridiculous amounts of their money and losing parts of your business.

Of course VCs see that as an issue as they feed on startups by doing this. If you're profitable then you don't need them.

Otherwise, you'll be on your Series Z until there are no more investors left to throw money on to your unprofitable startup.

Re: The Profitable Startup

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is great for founders, and not so nice for VC investors, and Karri seems comically oblivious to that fact.

He's not oblivious to this and the answer lies in "Raise on Your Own Terms" section. Linear raised its A during the 2020-2021 frenzy and its Series B when every VC was telling their portfolio companies to reduce burn and get a 4-5 year runway. They created a profitable business in between. They get to do every single thing exactly how they want to until they raise again (if they ever do).

Correct. Those raises were made when there was some uncertainty about how the business would grow, and the opportunity and timing seemed right. For example, in 2022, it was difficult to predict how deep the market downturn would be. We saw several customers churn because their companies folded. In the end, the market didn't tank as bad than some expected, and we executed better than anticipated. In hindsight, we might not have needed that funding, but at the time, the outlook wasn’t as clear.

Part of this post is to debunk the myth that can be VC backed startup, be profitable and grow fast at the same time. VCs are quite keen in this approach too.

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