The CEO pay rises will continue until morale improves.
The CEO and their "strong cadre of 16 directors" because it’s obviously required to write a HTML parser.
Growing Mozilla – and evolving our leadership
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#23I wish Mozilla would get into revenue generating, web-maximalist products like an office suite alternative to Google Workspace and Microsoft. I think there are a fair number of people who want a significant brand behind these, but also an alternative to the mega-corp offerings. ie, instead of Thunderbird (which I know isn't developed by Mozilla anymore), create a hosted email platform with a PWA that can run and stor…
It would be interesting to see Mozilla diversify itself from its Google stipend, but there seems to be an inherent conflict of interest at play when a non-profit like Mozilla starts to expand its offerings beyond the core product; the tendency is for leadership to use these projects for empire-building. Wikipedia suffers from a similar problem where the core product is great, but the parent foundation uses the product to finance other projects that are only tangentially related to the product itself.
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
On the other hand, advertising doesn't do much to help Mozilla if it removes the main differentiator Firefox has from vastly more popular competitors. Firefox with "privacy respecting advertising" sounds an awful lot like Chrome with compatibility issues.
Yes. There is no such thing as privacy-respecting advertising. If they mess with extensions like Chrome did, they're going to lose their user base. A much higher proportion of us are only using Firefox because it's not connected to AdTech.
> There is no such thing as privacy-respecting advertising.
Sure there is; print ads are fine, and nothing prevents that style being used on the web (in fact, I'm aware of a local paper that does do that). It's just that advertisers really want to spy on users, so they pretty much always do.
Re: Growing Mozilla – and evolving our leadership
#25This isn't really "growing" Mozilla (they laid off 30% of their people a few months ago[0]); this is adding three people to their board of directors.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42054867 ("Mozilla Foundation lays off 30% staff, drops advocacy division (techcrunch.com)")
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#26Let. Me. Pay. For. Firefox. I pay for other services online. I pay for VPN, for ElementaryOS, for Fastmail. Paying is fine. I pay, you give me a service that does not spy on me. It is not that hard.
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes. There is no such thing as privacy-respecting advertising. If they mess with extensions like Chrome did, they're going to lose their user base. A much higher proportion of us are only using Firefox because it's not connected to AdTech.
> There is no such thing as privacy-respecting advertising. Sure there is; print ads are fine, and nothing prevents that style being used on the web (in fact, I'm aware of a local paper that does do that). It's just that advertisers really want to spy on users, so they pretty much always do.
One good example I like to show for this kind of web advertising is https://theweekinchess.com/
Basic image/hyperlinked banner ads, located to the side and non-disruptive, and relative to the topic of the website you are currently visiting.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
Of course not, why should the CEO be forced to use last year's model of yacht? Frankly I don't know how anyone lives with less than ten million these days.
If the CEO made $0, what would the impact on Mozilla’s balance sheet be? Hint: not significant
We should probably up it another 7 million then.
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Of course not, why should the CEO be forced to use last year's model of yacht? Frankly I don't know how anyone lives with less than ten million these days.
If the CEO made $0, what would the impact on Mozilla’s balance sheet be? Hint: not significant
If the store clerk took home some of the supplies, what would the impact on the company's balance sheet be? Not significant but she'd be setting the wrong example by doing so. If the CEO of a non-profit insists on "pay equity" with her for-profit equivalents she should look for a job in a for-profit, not leach dry the non-profit. Enough of the bullshit with overpaid and underperforming Mozilla CEOs, time for a real change there. I propose Mozilla creates a DOME department - Dept. of Mozilla Efficiency - which goes through the organisation, top to bottom. Make Mozilla concentrate on its core tasks again, i.e. creating and maintaining browsers to serve as bulwark against the Blink-Webkit duopoly. More developers, fewer executives, more releases, fewer distractions, Make Mozilla Great Again!
Re: Growing Mozilla – and evolving our leadership
#30I wish Mozilla would get into revenue generating, web-maximalist products like an office suite alternative to Google Workspace and Microsoft. I think there are a fair number of people who want a significant brand behind these, but also an alternative to the mega-corp offerings. ie, instead of Thunderbird (which I know isn't developed by Mozilla anymore), create a hosted email platform with a PWA that can run and stor…
It would be interesting to see Mozilla diversify itself from its Google stipend, but there seems to be an inherent conflict of interest at play when a non-profit like Mozilla starts to expand its offerings beyond the core product; the tendency is for leadership to use these projects for empire-building. Wikipedia suffers from a similar problem where the core product is great, but the parent foundation uses the produc…
Mozilla faces a very similar set of challenges as other "umbrella" open source organizations like Apache, MediaWiki, and the Linux Foundation that have notably low overlap with the current boardmembers.