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Ukraine not invited to US-Russia peace talks, source tells BBC

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Re: Ukraine not invited to US-Russia peace talks, source tells BBC

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You were told this was something else, and it resonated better because the people involved were culturally close to Europeans. But in reality was the messaging all that different from "Operation Iraqi Freedom"? Both were fights for automotive power sources dressed up as a liberation movement.

I don't know what any of that means. What is "both fights" what are "automotive power sources"?

"both fights" are presumably the Ukrainian war and Iraqi Freedom. Automotive power sources is oil.

What that all that means pretty much boils down to parroting Russian talking points.

Re: Ukraine not invited to US-Russia peace talks, source tells BBC

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We have 2025 and there are out there a people who think that can make decisions for you without even being asked. I smell so much troubles that even best class russian propaganda won't handle. :)

    A similar debate concerned the shape of the table to be used at the conference. The North favored a circular table, in which all parties, including NLF representatives, would appear to be "equal"' in importance. The South Vietnamese argued that only a rectangular table was acceptable, for only a rectangle could show two distinct sides to the conflict. Eventually a compromise was reached, in which representatives of the northern and southern governments would sit at a circular table, with members representing all other parties sitting at individual square tables around them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Peace_Accords

Edit: Also note what Kissinger did behind the back of Thiệu.

Re: Ukraine not invited to US-Russia peace talks, source tells BBC

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> These aren’t peace talks then, they’re talks on how to divide up the spoils. That's what peace talks are all about. Do you think Japan and Germany had a say in what they had to give up at the end of WW2?

Both Japan and Germany attacked other countries to expand their empire. Like Russia in this conflict.

Lots of defensive countries have lost wars too.

Re: Ukraine not invited to US-Russia peace talks, source tells BBC

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I don't know what any of that means. What is "both fights" what are "automotive power sources"?

He’s straining to draw a false equivalence between the Iraq war and the Ukraine war.

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Re: Ukraine not invited to US-Russia peace talks, source tells BBC

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know what any of that means. What is "both fights" what are "automotive power sources"?

"both fights" are presumably the Ukrainian war and Iraqi Freedom. Automotive power sources is oil. What that all that means pretty much boils down to parroting Russian talking points.

How does it feel when Trump flips the script and outright says: we'll put a "people's leader" in charge of Greenland and then he'll sell it out to us. This is all that your color revolutions were all along, always.

Re: Ukraine not invited to US-Russia peace talks, source tells BBC

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We have 2025 and there are out there a people who think that can make decisions for you without even being asked. I smell so much troubles that even best class russian propaganda won't handle. :)

A similar debate concerned the shape of the table to be used at the conference. The North favored a circular table, in which all parties, including NLF representatives, would appear to be "equal"' in importance. The South Vietnamese argued that only a rectangular table was acceptable, for only a rectangle could show two distinct sides to the conflict. Eventually a compromise was reached, in which representatives of t…

Kindergarten level arguing.

Re: Ukraine not invited to US-Russia peace talks, source tells BBC

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Both Japan and Germany attacked other countries to expand their empire. Like Russia in this conflict.

Lots of defensive countries have lost wars too.

This seems less like a country losing a war and more like the US and Russia partnering in an attempt to impose an unfavourable deal on Kyiv.

Which makes the above justification of a Ukraine absence from divvying up the spoils after a defeat rather circular.

Re: Ukraine not invited to US-Russia peace talks, source tells BBC

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You were told this was something else, and it resonated better because the people involved were culturally close to Europeans. But in reality was the messaging all that different from "Operation Iraqi Freedom"? Both were fights for automotive power sources dressed up as a liberation movement.

Uh yes? Zelenskyy was a democratically elected leader and Saddam was a tyrant.

You may want to look up something about how Saddam came to power in the early 60s. He had not only the same CIA covert ops backing but even the same kind of TV promotion. That whole army fatigues getup should be familiar by now.

Re: Ukraine not invited to US-Russia peace talks, source tells BBC

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He’s straining to draw a false equivalence between the Iraq war and the Ukraine war.

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There's more lithium in Russia than there is in Ukraine.

Developing their own resources would be a better use of their time and money than invading Ukraine.

Re: Ukraine not invited to US-Russia peace talks, source tells BBC

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A similar debate concerned the shape of the table to be used at the conference. The North favored a circular table, in which all parties, including NLF representatives, would appear to be "equal"' in importance. The South Vietnamese argued that only a rectangular table was acceptable, for only a rectangle could show two distinct sides to the conflict. Eventually a compromise was reached, in which representatives of t…

Kindergarten level arguing.

I am trying to allude to historical events in which a super power talked both behind the back of a losing allied government and then forced them into a losing proposition.

It is not like stuff like this is unexpected. I find the general "acted surprisedness" somewhat annoying.

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