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Re: Marsha P Johnson: A Chrome extension to highlight trans erasure

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Post by delecti »

pessimizer wrote: post #15
jey wrote: post #2

Apparently this is the background context: https://www.npr.org/2025/02/14/g-s1-48923/stonewall-monument...

> When describing the Stonewall Uprising, the website now reads: "Before the 1960s, almost everything about living openly as a lesbian, gay, bisexual (LGB) person was illegal, but the events at the Stonewall Inn sparked fresh momentum for the LGB civil rights movement!" Were there any laws that affected trans people at all, though? There were laws against homosexual sex (covered by LGB), but I don't recall any laws a…

Yes. Raids on queer bars would round up people up, and arrest any gender non-conforming people wearing fewer than three articles of clothing of their assigned sex. Terminology was different at the time, but people we would probably now describe as trans men or trans women were some of the main targets of those arrests.

Re: Marsha P Johnson: A Chrome extension to highlight trans erasure

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Post by pessimizer »

twerkmonsta wrote: post #5

How does this help anybody?

> I know, Marsha did not throw the first brick at Stonewall.

I assume that the intention is to confuse people. They at some point found out that Johnson wasn't at Stonewall until it was over, but still for some reason need that name to continue to be associated with the event. I assume the next extension will insert mentions of Saddam Hussein around any mention of 9/11, but include a disclaimer that says "I know Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11."

Re: Marsha P Johnson: A Chrome extension to highlight trans erasure

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Post by emilamlom »

pessimizer wrote: post #15
jey wrote: post #2

Apparently this is the background context: https://www.npr.org/2025/02/14/g-s1-48923/stonewall-monument...

> When describing the Stonewall Uprising, the website now reads: "Before the 1960s, almost everything about living openly as a lesbian, gay, bisexual (LGB) person was illegal, but the events at the Stonewall Inn sparked fresh momentum for the LGB civil rights movement!" Were there any laws that affected trans people at all, though? There were laws against homosexual sex (covered by LGB), but I don't recall any laws a…

There were laws in many places in the states that banned "crossdressing" which was applied to trans and gay people alike. While the specific term "transgender" hasn't been around very long, the gay community has always included a lot of gender-nonconformity. It's part of the reason gender is lumped in with sexuality in the first place. Anti-homosexuality laws would've applied to trans people as well. I still remember how in the 90's trans women were considered feminine gay men by people outside the community. I can look up the sources if you like, but that's my understanding.

Re: Marsha P Johnson: A Chrome extension to highlight trans erasure

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Post by emilamlom »

Stevvo wrote: post #11

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Wording has changed throughout history as has our understanding of gender and sexuality. While the specific word "transgender" may not have existed, it's still true that she lived as a woman at the time. At the very least, you can't argue that there's gender-nonconformity going on there. The fact that the Stonewall monument was targeted for removing references of "trans" should hint at why the author of the extension named it this way.

Re: Marsha P Johnson: A Chrome extension to highlight trans erasure

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Post by pessimizer »

gumby271 wrote: post #19
pessimizer wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When describing the Stonewall Uprising, the website now reads: "Before the 1960s, almost everything about living openly as a lesbian, gay, bisexual (LGB) person was illegal, but the events at the Stonewall Inn sparked fresh momentum for the LGB civil rights movement!" Were there any laws that affected trans people at all, though? There were laws against homosexual sex (covered by LGB), but I don't recall any laws a…

The most obvious example is the "Three Article Rule" that enforced that you must wear at least 3 articles of clothing that "match" your assigned sex at birth. These were easy rules for police to use to justify arresting people. I'm sure others more in the know can provide similar laws and ordinances that affected trans and cross dressing people.

If that's the most obvious example:

> The problem is, the law technically never existed. Instead, accounts suggest that police generally used old, often unrelated laws to target LGBT people throughout the 1940s, ‘50s and ‘60s.

1st hit: https://www.history.com/news/stonewall-riots-lgbtq-drag-thre...

Re: Marsha P Johnson: A Chrome extension to highlight trans erasure

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Post by delecti »

PaulHoule wrote: post #14

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Allowing people to draw a line in the sand for an acceptable level of deviation from the normal leaves you open to them nudging that line just a bit further to ostracize more and more of the vulnerable. I've never been the biggest fan of the progress flag, but because I think the basic rainbow already includes all of those groups. I've never loved it more than I do now that I've heard the idea that people prefer the rainbow flag because it actively excludes the people the progress flag was created to actively highlight.

Re: Marsha P Johnson: A Chrome extension to highlight trans erasure

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Post by pessimizer »

emilamlom wrote: post #23
pessimizer wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When describing the Stonewall Uprising, the website now reads: "Before the 1960s, almost everything about living openly as a lesbian, gay, bisexual (LGB) person was illegal, but the events at the Stonewall Inn sparked fresh momentum for the LGB civil rights movement!" Were there any laws that affected trans people at all, though? There were laws against homosexual sex (covered by LGB), but I don't recall any laws a…

There were laws in many places in the states that banned "crossdressing" which was applied to trans and gay people alike. While the specific term "transgender" hasn't been around very long, the gay community has always included a lot of gender-nonconformity. It's part of the reason gender is lumped in with sexuality in the first place. Anti-homosexuality laws would've applied to trans people as well. I still remember…

I was asking about any law that made gender expression illegal. Using any kind of terminology.
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