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Re: Gnome: Staring into the abyss

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Post by Mr_T_ »

reirob wrote: post #15
Mr_T_ wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unity 2D is deprecated: http://www.doadjustyourset.com/2012/07/16/ubuntu-tv-weekly-u... "Since Unity 2D was depreciated for Ubuntu 12.10, much work is being done to port Ubuntu TV to Unity 3D" http://www.doadjustyourset.com/2012/07/20/ubuntu-tv-weekly-u... "Continued progress removing Qt and replacing with Nux" http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA5O... "Unity 2D To Go Away In Ubuntu 12.10"

When Unity 2D will not be available, does it mean that Ubuntu will NOT run as a VirtualBox guest? I recently switched from Ubuntu 10.04 to 12.04 in VirtualBox - mostly for development. I start to like Unity. But Ubuntu 12.04 is much slower than 10.04, in terms of GUI and responsiveness. So what are Ubuntu's plans for GUI performance?

I guess they will do the same as Gnome Shell and use LLVMpipe

Re: Gnome: Staring into the abyss

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Post by dchichkov »

Mr_T_ wrote: post #7
CrazedGeek wrote: post #6

This is the (dead) G+ post by Linus that he refers to: http://digitizor.com/2011/08/04/linus-torvalds-ditches-gnome...

What these articles never mention is a follow-up comment by Torvalds: "And for all the people wasting everybodys time with "Why don't you use Unity/KDE/xfce/xyz" - I've tried them. They are even worse" https://plus.google.com/102150693225130002912/posts/UkoAaLDp...

"I want my sane interfaces back. I have yet to meet anybody who likes the unholy mess that is gnome-3." - Linus

:)

Personally I'm sticking with Gnome 2. Simple, predictable, stable...

Re: Gnome: Staring into the abyss

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Post by csense »

madmax108 wrote: post #17

Damn, I knew Gnome was doing badly, but din't know it was this bad! :| I personally am a fan of Gnome, and hope that they become relevent again. Unity is too fancy for my linking, and Unity 2D, which seems an option, is now deprecated! :|

Two words: Linux Mint (an Ubuntu derivative) with Cinnamon.

Basically Linux Mint is the distro for people who used to like Ubuntu, but don't want unfamiliar postmodern GUI metaphors in Unity or Gnome 3 shoved down their throats.

Re: Gnome: Staring into the abyss

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Post by Mr_T_ »

csense wrote: post #23
madmax108 wrote: post #17

Damn, I knew Gnome was doing badly, but din't know it was this bad! :| I personally am a fan of Gnome, and hope that they become relevent again. Unity is too fancy for my linking, and Unity 2D, which seems an option, is now deprecated! :|

Two words: Linux Mint (an Ubuntu derivative) with Cinnamon. Basically Linux Mint is the distro for people who used to like Ubuntu, but don't want unfamiliar postmodern GUI metaphors in Unity or Gnome 3 shoved down their throats.

99% of Cinnamon is Gnome 3, the other 1% is heavily modified JavaScript wiring.

Re: Gnome: Staring into the abyss

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Post by abenga »

This is really sad if it's true. I'm probably in the minority, but I think GNOME 3 (even without extensions) is the best Linux desktop at the moment. It does seem strange when you look at it at first, but once you use it for a week or so and use anything different (even GNOME 2 which I'd used for years), you feel stifled in a way. It's hard to put into words, it just feels like it's out of your way.

Anecdote: I work at a small actuarial firm that uses Linux desktops, and when I migrated everyone (ten people) over to Ubuntu 12.04, they all loved GNOME 3.

Re: Gnome: Staring into the abyss

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Post by ilja »

Mr_T_ wrote: post #18
kijin wrote: post #16

1. As the author says toward the end of the article, I think the biggest problem with Gnome nowadays is that only a small number of people actually use it on a day-to-day basis. Popular distros like Ubuntu and Mint have shifted away from it. No matter what merits Gnome 3 might have, it was such a flop in its first few releases that it has the Windows Vista stigma attached to it. Of course, there's GTK and several Gno…

> Taking away those little checkboxes and toolbar buttons is like slamming the door on power users. You might win a billion non-technical users, but none of them will ever submit a single patch. An experienced developer should be mature enough to know that he and his kind should not be the target audience of his product. And putting in all those little checkboxes makes a product a horrible experience for the rest of…

Whether you like it or not, power users are probably the only audience left for a linux DE that's no longer the default on the most newbie friendly distro's. The rest of the world is never going to see it.

Open source is very much about scratching one's own itch

Re: Gnome: Staring into the abyss

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Post by shaunxcode »

forgottenpaswrd wrote: post #13

GNOME is not necessary anymore. It was in the past, not today. We have Qt that really works, much much better, and with LGPL license. You can run stellarium, VLC or Marble in Mac or Windows without problems. If you try to use gimp or inkscape in mac it opens x11, copy and paste does not work(in inkscape it copies pixmaps instead of vectors!!), what a botched job. In windows you will have a lot of problems too. GTK su…

Hey I think the copy behavior in inkscape is on purpose. "duplicate" now does what you would expect copy to do?

Re: Gnome: Staring into the abyss

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Post by brusch »

abenga wrote: post #25

This is really sad if it's true. I'm probably in the minority, but I think GNOME 3 (even without extensions) is the best Linux desktop at the moment. It does seem strange when you look at it at first, but once you use it for a week or so and use anything different (even GNOME 2 which I'd used for years), you feel stifled in a way. It's hard to put into words, it just feels like it's out of your way. Anecdote: I work…

Me too - I really like GNOME 3.

After installing I had to go back to GNOME 2 (on a client - installation problems) and if felt old and boring - like going back to Windows XP (from Windows 7)

Re: Gnome: Staring into the abyss

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Post by mietek »

CrazedGeek wrote: post #6

This is the (dead) G+ post by Linus that he refers to: http://digitizor.com/2011/08/04/linus-torvalds-ditches-gnome...

Did Digitizor just try to silently follow themselves on Twitter using my account? I got an Access Denied error from Twitter on the following URL:

    https://platform2.twitter.com/widgets/follow_button.html?_=1309323676493&align=&button=blue&id=twitter_tweet_button_4&lang=en&link_color=&screen_name=digitizor&show_count=&show_screen_name=&text_color=&original_redirect_referrer=http://digitizor.com/2011/08/04/linus-torvalds-ditches-gnome-for-xfce/

Re: Gnome: Staring into the abyss

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Post by nmridul »

Mr_T_ wrote: post #18
kijin wrote: post #16

1. As the author says toward the end of the article, I think the biggest problem with Gnome nowadays is that only a small number of people actually use it on a day-to-day basis. Popular distros like Ubuntu and Mint have shifted away from it. No matter what merits Gnome 3 might have, it was such a flop in its first few releases that it has the Windows Vista stigma attached to it. Of course, there's GTK and several Gno…

> Taking away those little checkboxes and toolbar buttons is like slamming the door on power users. You might win a billion non-technical users, but none of them will ever submit a single patch. An experienced developer should be mature enough to know that he and his kind should not be the target audience of his product. And putting in all those little checkboxes makes a product a horrible experience for the rest of…

That is exactly the problem and what the parent wants to convey. A developer (specially open source) is rarely interested in developing something that is not useful to him.
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